1 00:01:07,370 --> 00:00:34,620 [Music] 2 00:01:10,130 --> 00:01:07,380 and good morning from Philadelphia this 3 00:01:13,190 --> 00:01:10,140 is Frank and then James coming in from 4 00:01:15,170 --> 00:01:13,200 Westchester New York and this is UFO 5 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:15,180 news network Sunday and today we've got 6 00:01:21,710 --> 00:01:18,210 a tremendous guest Stanton Friedman a 7 00:01:24,740 --> 00:01:21,720 longtime UFO researcher has been one of 8 00:01:25,310 --> 00:01:24,750 the if not the preeminent names in the 9 00:01:27,859 --> 00:01:25,320 business 10 00:01:32,540 --> 00:01:27,869 since he got started in all this way 11 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:32,550 back I believe in the 1960s and who's 12 00:01:37,490 --> 00:01:34,410 gonna tell us everything he knows about 13 00:01:40,609 --> 00:01:37,500 the Betty and Barney Hill case the 14 00:01:42,889 --> 00:01:40,619 Roswell incident and anything else we 15 00:01:46,550 --> 00:01:42,899 can squeeze into our limited time so 16 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:46,560 James well uh dr. freer mr. Friedman 17 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:48,410 died good morning to you sir 18 00:01:53,690 --> 00:01:51,330 good morning from beautiful Fredericton 19 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:53,700 New Brunswick Canada it's a lovely day 20 00:01:59,510 --> 00:01:54,890 today 21 00:02:02,690 --> 00:01:59,520 fantastic so James take it away well 22 00:02:04,850 --> 00:02:02,700 first I just like to say thank you so 23 00:02:09,259 --> 00:02:04,860 much Stan for inment for joining us I 24 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:09,269 have to say back some probably 20 or 25 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:11,970 more years ago when I was just a kid in 26 00:02:17,870 --> 00:02:14,010 elementary school I was watching you on 27 00:02:19,759 --> 00:02:17,880 TV amazing and fascinated by the ideas 28 00:02:21,380 --> 00:02:19,769 of UFOs and and and the way you're 29 00:02:24,140 --> 00:02:21,390 presenting the information it was just 30 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:24,150 um I mean it seemed so matter-of-fact to 31 00:02:29,030 --> 00:02:26,250 me so um you know I would like to thank 32 00:02:30,620 --> 00:02:29,040 you for all the work you've done you 33 00:02:33,830 --> 00:02:30,630 know making this so public I know in 34 00:02:36,170 --> 00:02:33,840 those times it is nothing or not as easy 35 00:02:39,410 --> 00:02:36,180 as it is today to talk about the subject 36 00:02:41,060 --> 00:02:39,420 and you coming from a background of 37 00:02:42,710 --> 00:02:41,070 nuclear physicists you know you had a 38 00:02:46,340 --> 00:02:42,720 lot on the line to talk about that kind 39 00:02:48,190 --> 00:02:46,350 of stuff so you know major kudos to you 40 00:02:50,830 --> 00:02:48,200 for that so thank you so much thank you 41 00:02:55,250 --> 00:02:50,840 appreciate your appreciation 42 00:02:56,660 --> 00:02:55,260 that's appreciation day so before we get 43 00:03:01,280 --> 00:02:56,670 into the meat of some of this I just 44 00:03:04,130 --> 00:03:01,290 want to talk some current events with 45 00:03:06,580 --> 00:03:04,140 the discovery of a tip the advanced 46 00:03:10,220 --> 00:03:06,590 aerospace through identification program 47 00:03:12,530 --> 00:03:10,230 in December with the New York Times 48 00:03:14,570 --> 00:03:12,540 article and Politico and The Washington 49 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:14,580 Post I mean that to me that just sounds 50 00:03:20,150 --> 00:03:14,850 like 51 00:03:22,460 --> 00:03:20,160 incredible news what how do you see that 52 00:03:26,690 --> 00:03:22,470 in your and your your deep background in 53 00:03:29,690 --> 00:03:26,700 history in the subject well I was quite 54 00:03:32,330 --> 00:03:29,700 surprised to see the article in the 55 00:03:35,330 --> 00:03:32,340 sense that is taken off a long time for 56 00:03:37,610 --> 00:03:35,340 this to come out and I also I'm curious 57 00:03:40,850 --> 00:03:37,620 and my curiosity really hasn't been 58 00:03:44,390 --> 00:03:40,860 answered as to why that happened at this 59 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:44,400 time who said okay and you know what was 60 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:46,370 the precipitating event does this mean 61 00:03:52,550 --> 00:03:48,930 something more is gonna happen I kept 62 00:03:56,180 --> 00:03:52,560 expecting more more to drop but I 63 00:03:58,430 --> 00:03:56,190 haven't heard anything more really so I 64 00:04:00,650 --> 00:03:58,440 I don't know what's going on I was 65 00:04:04,070 --> 00:04:00,660 impressed with Elizondo I listened to 66 00:04:06,110 --> 00:04:04,080 him and the other people and I'm not 67 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:06,120 surprised in other words there had to 68 00:04:13,870 --> 00:04:09,570 have been more work going on but you 69 00:04:17,300 --> 00:04:13,880 know that ended supposedly in 2012 and 70 00:04:19,789 --> 00:04:17,310 you know what's what's happening who's 71 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:19,799 pulling the strings what's going on I'd 72 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:23,970 like more answers right and I was on who 73 00:04:28,550 --> 00:04:26,250 claims that the program actually went on 74 00:04:30,770 --> 00:04:28,560 after 2012 but you know we don't have 75 00:04:32,330 --> 00:04:30,780 too much too much on paper about that 76 00:04:34,130 --> 00:04:32,340 and you know that's become a big mystery 77 00:04:35,930 --> 00:04:34,140 in the field that we're we have a lot of 78 00:04:37,490 --> 00:04:35,940 researchers like Paul Dean and and 79 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:37,500 others trying to really get to the 80 00:04:44,420 --> 00:04:40,890 bottom of but do you do see it as a step 81 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:44,430 forward well yeah any anything that 82 00:04:49,430 --> 00:04:46,890 opens up the box a bit that shows that 83 00:04:53,390 --> 00:04:49,440 the government as one would have to 84 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:53,400 expect has been busy I mean let's face 85 00:04:58,040 --> 00:04:55,530 it we spend an awful lot of effort 86 00:04:59,720 --> 00:04:58,050 monitoring the skies to make sure the 87 00:05:02,180 --> 00:04:59,730 Russians don't attack us and you know 88 00:05:04,970 --> 00:05:02,190 all that sort of stuff there's a huge 89 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:04,980 effort in that and to suggest that 90 00:05:11,540 --> 00:05:08,010 nothing has been going on about UFOs for 91 00:05:13,940 --> 00:05:11,550 all those years is nonsense I worked 92 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:13,950 under security for 14 years its standard 93 00:05:20,840 --> 00:05:16,770 practice to keep top secret matters so 94 00:05:25,280 --> 00:05:20,850 top secret you know you keep receiver by 95 00:05:27,110 --> 00:05:25,290 not telling anybody ever and so I expect 96 00:05:28,159 --> 00:05:27,120 there's an awful lot of data what's 97 00:05:30,679 --> 00:05:28,169 missing soap 98 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:30,689 farm so where are the reports that these 99 00:05:35,959 --> 00:05:34,289 guys generated hey I worked on 14 years 100 00:05:37,790 --> 00:05:35,969 on government-sponsored research and 101 00:05:41,689 --> 00:05:37,800 development programs you always have to 102 00:05:43,700 --> 00:05:41,699 write reports dammit we know about one 103 00:05:45,890 --> 00:05:43,710 case that we have some detail on that 104 00:05:48,409 --> 00:05:45,900 Nimitz case and it's a great case but 105 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:48,419 there's got to be more than one you're 106 00:05:53,749 --> 00:05:52,050 darn right there does and so you know I 107 00:05:54,980 --> 00:05:53,759 don't know who's pulling the strings I 108 00:05:57,350 --> 00:05:54,990 don't know what's going on back there 109 00:06:00,920 --> 00:05:57,360 whether this is a forerunner or just a 110 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:00,930 taste of t's I have no idea I'm 111 00:06:06,050 --> 00:06:04,289 mystified and if the mystery man would 112 00:06:09,079 --> 00:06:06,060 stand up and tell us what's happening I 113 00:06:10,129 --> 00:06:09,089 would like to know about yeah I mean if 114 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:10,139 you want if you want to get on a 115 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:13,050 speculative side it seems that they're 116 00:06:21,529 --> 00:06:18,210 purposely doing some kind of like a slow 117 00:06:26,029 --> 00:06:21,539 release of it to drop it like every few 118 00:06:29,179 --> 00:06:26,039 months so it's a constant it stays in 119 00:06:32,420 --> 00:06:29,189 the and everybody's focused for you know 120 00:06:34,820 --> 00:06:32,430 for a long period of time so every few 121 00:06:36,050 --> 00:06:34,830 months they'll drop another video or you 122 00:06:39,139 --> 00:06:36,060 know just I want to say about a month 123 00:06:42,559 --> 00:06:39,149 ago Tom DeLonge posted on his Instagram 124 00:06:46,369 --> 00:06:42,569 that him and his team you know I'm 125 00:06:47,929 --> 00:06:46,379 guessing Jim semi van Elizondo and the 126 00:06:51,790 --> 00:06:47,939 rest of the to the Stars Academy team 127 00:06:55,070 --> 00:06:51,800 that were briefing members in Washington 128 00:06:57,889 --> 00:06:55,080 I mean that's nothing new because we've 129 00:06:59,510 --> 00:06:57,899 had that happened with dr. Steven Greer 130 00:07:01,879 --> 00:06:59,520 as disclosure project when it was a 131 00:07:04,249 --> 00:07:01,889 little bit more credible with dr. Edgar 132 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:04,259 Mitchell was involved and some others 133 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:06,330 and we had the citizens hearing which 134 00:07:13,339 --> 00:07:08,849 was a huge event as well you know for 135 00:07:15,079 --> 00:07:13,349 the public scene to kind of yeah and 136 00:07:17,149 --> 00:07:15,089 that and your speech you believe it or 137 00:07:19,489 --> 00:07:17,159 not there's a there's a speech on 138 00:07:22,790 --> 00:07:19,499 YouTube it says like Stanton Friedman 139 00:07:24,649 --> 00:07:22,800 best UFO citizens hearing speech it's 140 00:07:27,829 --> 00:07:24,659 probably got like hundreds of thousands 141 00:07:30,980 --> 00:07:27,839 if not millions of views which was 142 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:30,990 excellent but it seems that that's a 143 00:07:37,610 --> 00:07:32,810 plan that they're they're keeping 144 00:07:39,740 --> 00:07:37,620 they're keeping the releases partial so 145 00:07:41,990 --> 00:07:39,750 that it stays and everybody's focused 146 00:07:44,540 --> 00:07:42,000 over months and months to come 147 00:07:48,590 --> 00:07:44,550 but another another revelation about a 148 00:07:51,380 --> 00:07:48,600 tip was not I mean it's not such a 149 00:07:53,210 --> 00:07:51,390 surprise to people in the field but it 150 00:07:55,460 --> 00:07:53,220 was still big news to be made public 151 00:07:59,900 --> 00:07:55,470 that there was a contract with Robert 152 00:08:01,700 --> 00:07:59,910 Bigelow Bigelow Aerospace and Bigelow 153 00:08:04,940 --> 00:08:01,710 has been involved in this for quite a 154 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:04,950 long time it was his first research 155 00:08:09,860 --> 00:08:09,090 project many years ago he funded exactly 156 00:08:11,570 --> 00:08:09,870 where I was going 157 00:08:12,710 --> 00:08:11,580 have you had involvements with Bigelow 158 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:12,720 and what are your thoughts on him and 159 00:08:18,140 --> 00:08:16,290 his work that he's helped more than ten 160 00:08:21,290 --> 00:08:18,150 years ago I got a call out of the blue 161 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:21,300 from Robert Bigelow I had no idea who he 162 00:08:25,580 --> 00:08:23,850 was I actually checked later with people 163 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:25,590 I knew in Las Vegas to make sure he was 164 00:08:32,709 --> 00:08:30,090 real but he sure was he asked if I had 165 00:08:35,060 --> 00:08:32,719 any research ideas he has some money 166 00:08:37,610 --> 00:08:35,070 maybe he could be of help I said oh I 167 00:08:40,969 --> 00:08:37,620 got a whole bunch of them well well send 168 00:08:44,029 --> 00:08:40,979 me a list and I did in a day later and 169 00:08:46,820 --> 00:08:44,039 two days later he says pick one and I 170 00:08:49,790 --> 00:08:46,830 did and I got sixteen thousand dollar 171 00:08:51,470 --> 00:08:49,800 grant from him and the money was in the 172 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:51,480 bank when he said it would be and I 173 00:08:58,700 --> 00:08:55,730 spent a lot of time looking at mj-12 and 174 00:09:00,500 --> 00:08:58,710 the plains of san agustin and stuff like 175 00:09:01,850 --> 00:09:00,510 that as a matter of fact Bob went on one 176 00:09:04,579 --> 00:09:01,860 of the trips out in the middle of 177 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:04,589 nowhere and the plains of san agustin I 178 00:09:09,230 --> 00:09:07,410 have a great respect for him not because 179 00:09:12,410 --> 00:09:09,240 a billionaire although I suppose that's 180 00:09:15,190 --> 00:09:12,420 really a respect in and of itself but he 181 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:15,200 makes decisions he was straightforward 182 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:17,850 it was a pleasure to deal with them and 183 00:09:23,090 --> 00:09:21,210 he wasn't quite a tidy we were out in 184 00:09:25,940 --> 00:09:23,100 the middle of nowhere the thing at a 185 00:09:29,540 --> 00:09:25,950 dumpy motel and so forth you know he was 186 00:09:32,060 --> 00:09:29,550 one of the guys and so I wasn't 187 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:32,070 surprised to hear he was involved 188 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:35,250 especially with Senator Reid you know 189 00:09:41,750 --> 00:09:39,170 being from West Las Vegas and stuff so 190 00:09:44,450 --> 00:09:41,760 yeah I have a lot of respect for Bob and 191 00:09:48,020 --> 00:09:44,460 I don't know where all this stuff is 192 00:09:51,050 --> 00:09:48,030 going you know who can say what who's 193 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:51,060 pulling what strings where for home and 194 00:09:55,820 --> 00:09:53,490 you know I think one of the problems we 195 00:09:58,160 --> 00:09:55,830 have is that people in the government 196 00:10:01,280 --> 00:09:58,170 I've been so fearful that the public 197 00:10:03,950 --> 00:10:01,290 would panic would be shocked to life 198 00:10:06,590 --> 00:10:03,960 wouldn't come crashing down if they knew 199 00:10:09,170 --> 00:10:06,600 that planet was being visited I have 200 00:10:11,300 --> 00:10:09,180 given more than 700 lectures in all 50 201 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:11,310 states ten province and 19 other 202 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:14,370 countries I have seen no signs of that 203 00:10:20,330 --> 00:10:16,530 at all and I come on 204 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:20,340 very very strong I'm not mealy-mouthed I 205 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:22,050 don't say maybe it's possible and 206 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:23,850 somebody's coming here I say the planet 207 00:10:27,740 --> 00:10:25,530 is being visited that there is a cosmic 208 00:10:30,710 --> 00:10:27,750 Watergate it's the biggest story of the 209 00:10:34,790 --> 00:10:30,720 millennium and I cite chapter and verse 210 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:34,800 and I've seen no signs of people oh you 211 00:10:39,830 --> 00:10:36,930 know worrying about what does that mean 212 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:39,840 I think in today's world people are 213 00:10:44,660 --> 00:10:41,850 prepared for the notion that would be 214 00:10:46,130 --> 00:10:44,670 surprising if there weren't others 215 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:46,140 coming here and people have come to 216 00:10:51,140 --> 00:10:48,330 realized that with all these discoveries 217 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:51,150 about planets I mean the latest word 218 00:10:57,440 --> 00:10:54,330 indicates there's about 1.6 planets per 219 00:11:00,020 --> 00:10:57,450 star so within a hundred light-years of 220 00:11:04,250 --> 00:11:00,030 here there's 10,000 stars that means 221 00:11:05,540 --> 00:11:04,260 about 16,000 planets and yet in 1960 222 00:11:07,070 --> 00:11:05,550 when Frank Drake was talking about 223 00:11:09,620 --> 00:11:07,080 listening for signals he said there 224 00:11:11,450 --> 00:11:09,630 might be six or eight thousand places 225 00:11:16,190 --> 00:11:11,460 that could sign signals in the galaxy 226 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:16,200 six or eight billion is mr. Friedman 227 00:11:19,430 --> 00:11:17,970 just really quick to jump in I was going 228 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:19,440 to get to this later on but now it seems 229 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:20,490 as good a time as any 230 00:11:24,350 --> 00:11:22,770 have you ever sat down and done your own 231 00:11:26,140 --> 00:11:24,360 little Drake Equation and what kind of 232 00:11:29,060 --> 00:11:26,150 number did you come up with if he did 233 00:11:31,190 --> 00:11:29,070 well I don't but I think there's life 234 00:11:33,560 --> 00:11:31,200 all over the place out there the Drake 235 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:33,570 Equation isn't an equation you can put 236 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:37,290 any numbers in that you want and so you 237 00:11:41,510 --> 00:11:39,330 know it's totally misleading to call it 238 00:11:48,010 --> 00:11:41,520 an equation equals mc-squared that's an 239 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:48,020 equation F equals MA these are equations 240 00:11:53,210 --> 00:11:50,850 so the Drake Equation is one approach 241 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:53,220 and it's amazing the whole SETI 242 00:11:58,370 --> 00:11:55,650 community I say SETI stands for silly 243 00:11:59,410 --> 00:11:58,380 effort to investigate rather than search 244 00:12:02,840 --> 00:11:59,420 for extraterrestrial intelligence 245 00:12:05,510 --> 00:12:02,850 because there's all kinds of evidence 246 00:12:07,940 --> 00:12:05,520 that beings are coming here why are you 247 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:07,950 talking about listening for signals that 248 00:12:11,430 --> 00:12:09,850 which maybe nobody is sending 249 00:12:14,100 --> 00:12:11,440 using techniques about which you know 250 00:12:16,410 --> 00:12:14,110 nothing when we have all the day last 251 00:12:20,370 --> 00:12:16,420 month two months ago 252 00:12:25,379 --> 00:12:20,380 you finally got 650 reports of UFO 253 00:12:28,530 --> 00:12:25,389 sightings let's say only 10% are alien a 254 00:12:31,290 --> 00:12:28,540 lot in one moment yeah 255 00:12:34,050 --> 00:12:31,300 yeah so it's not like you got to look 256 00:12:35,759 --> 00:12:34,060 hard for the data it's not being 257 00:12:40,019 --> 00:12:35,769 recorded terribly well in many places 258 00:12:43,199 --> 00:12:40,029 but in other words I find that people 259 00:12:44,460 --> 00:12:43,209 are not shocked I've had one guy at the 260 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:44,470 end of one of my lectures that have been 261 00:12:49,340 --> 00:12:46,930 asking this audience how they feel about 262 00:12:53,189 --> 00:12:49,350 flying saucers after I'd given some 263 00:12:55,710 --> 00:12:53,199 Gallup poll data and I you know hemmed 264 00:12:59,040 --> 00:12:55,720 it on a little bit it's not my job to 265 00:13:01,079 --> 00:12:59,050 put you under the microscope that's my 266 00:13:02,460 --> 00:13:01,089 job to stick my neck out I don't think 267 00:13:05,180 --> 00:13:02,470 anybody will mind he said everybody 268 00:13:09,019 --> 00:13:05,190 clapped so I did ask more than 90% 269 00:13:12,389 --> 00:13:09,029 thought some UFOs are alien spacecraft 270 00:13:14,370 --> 00:13:12,399 and so what's the big deal you never get 271 00:13:17,939 --> 00:13:14,380 a hundred percent on anything you know 272 00:13:20,550 --> 00:13:17,949 so in today's world it seems to be 273 00:13:23,069 --> 00:13:20,560 generally accepted that hey there's 274 00:13:26,910 --> 00:13:23,079 nothing special about us maybe we're 275 00:13:30,030 --> 00:13:26,920 nastier than others I don't know but you 276 00:13:32,189 --> 00:13:30,040 know it's not a big deal and also I 277 00:13:35,910 --> 00:13:32,199 think people have learned not only that 278 00:13:37,980 --> 00:13:35,920 there are lots of planets out there but 279 00:13:39,660 --> 00:13:37,990 that interstellar travel may be part of 280 00:13:46,230 --> 00:13:39,670 this is from my talking about it but 281 00:13:48,030 --> 00:13:46,240 it's no big deal at 1g acceleration it 282 00:13:49,220 --> 00:13:48,040 takes less than a year to get to the 283 00:13:52,050 --> 00:13:49,230 speed of light 284 00:13:55,439 --> 00:13:52,060 I've had people guess a thousand years 285 00:13:57,600 --> 00:13:55,449 or a hundred years it's one less a year 286 00:13:59,790 --> 00:13:57,610 as you get close to the speed of light 287 00:14:01,920 --> 00:13:59,800 time slows down and don't ask me why 288 00:14:03,389 --> 00:14:01,930 that sounds crazy Stan of course it 289 00:14:05,850 --> 00:14:03,399 sounds crazy but that's the way God 290 00:14:07,650 --> 00:14:05,860 created the universe you know well can I 291 00:14:10,490 --> 00:14:07,660 say we've established that we have 292 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:10,500 accelerators where particles are going 293 00:14:15,210 --> 00:14:12,130 99.99 294 00:14:20,069 --> 00:14:15,220 9% of this light it's not an unknown 295 00:14:23,009 --> 00:14:20,079 realm in other words so III think people 296 00:14:25,230 --> 00:14:23,019 have come around to the notion that it's 297 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:25,240 not a big deal and our specialness is a 298 00:14:30,030 --> 00:14:27,490 product of our own imagination 299 00:14:34,110 --> 00:14:30,040 every generation likes to think they're 300 00:14:35,999 --> 00:14:34,120 you know they're it a great astronomer 301 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:36,009 in the early 1900's that if there's one 302 00:14:40,230 --> 00:14:38,170 thing he was sure a man would never fly 303 00:14:41,879 --> 00:14:40,240 any distance in a vehicle that was two 304 00:14:46,019 --> 00:14:41,889 months before the Wright brothers first 305 00:14:48,620 --> 00:14:46,029 flight in 1956 space travelers utter 306 00:14:50,790 --> 00:14:48,630 build said the British astronomer royal 307 00:14:52,590 --> 00:14:50,800 what good would it do who would pay for 308 00:14:53,639 --> 00:14:52,600 it well we need is better tools for 309 00:14:55,949 --> 00:14:53,649 astronomy 310 00:14:57,780 --> 00:14:55,959 so Sputnik went up the next year and the 311 00:15:01,040 --> 00:14:57,790 field that's benefited the most has been 312 00:15:04,230 --> 00:15:01,050 astronomy from all the space exploration 313 00:15:07,470 --> 00:15:04,240 so we've come around the notion that 314 00:15:11,129 --> 00:15:07,480 it's a big universe and but it's not 315 00:15:13,139 --> 00:15:11,139 that big another it's also there's a 316 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:13,149 kind of myth here people are taught all 317 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:15,370 the nearest start of the Sun is 4.3 318 00:15:20,249 --> 00:15:18,610 light years away that's a good ways but 319 00:15:22,199 --> 00:15:20,259 there are loads of places in our local 320 00:15:25,650 --> 00:15:22,209 neighborhood where their stars less than 321 00:15:28,199 --> 00:15:25,660 a lighting from other stars the price is 322 00:15:30,420 --> 00:15:28,209 crawling with stars and with climates 323 00:15:32,460 --> 00:15:30,430 that was the missing ingredient you know 324 00:15:35,550 --> 00:15:32,470 while you guys saw where the planets 325 00:15:41,670 --> 00:15:35,560 stand well now we know thanks to Kepler 326 00:15:44,189 --> 00:15:41,680 there's the satellite finding like I say 327 00:15:48,090 --> 00:15:44,199 one point six planets per star think 328 00:15:50,519 --> 00:15:48,100 about that so the place is crawling with 329 00:15:55,139 --> 00:15:50,529 planets an ardent notion of our own 330 00:15:57,360 --> 00:15:55,149 specialness you know wow look at us look 331 00:15:59,579 --> 00:15:57,370 at us you know we've got a pretty sorry 332 00:16:02,100 --> 00:15:59,589 track record world war two we only 333 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:02,110 killed 50 million people you know I 334 00:16:05,759 --> 00:16:03,490 don't know if that's a record for the 335 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:05,769 neighborhood but it's not something to 336 00:16:11,100 --> 00:16:09,130 be proud of and we spend a trillion 337 00:16:12,030 --> 00:16:11,110 dollars this year on things military on 338 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:12,040 planet Earth 339 00:16:19,199 --> 00:16:14,050 these aren't nice guys on this planet 340 00:16:21,179 --> 00:16:19,209 yeah yeah now getting back to the 341 00:16:23,340 --> 00:16:21,189 respect about Robert Bigelow of course 342 00:16:25,650 --> 00:16:23,350 I'm sure you heard on 60 minutes and a 343 00:16:31,110 --> 00:16:25,660 Stephen Basset pointed out his special 344 00:16:33,449 --> 00:16:31,120 I don't give a damn line about the of UT 345 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:33,459 of UFOs and he didn't just say UFOs he 346 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:36,730 said et presence he flat-out said it 347 00:16:41,639 --> 00:16:39,250 right on national TV one of the most 348 00:16:45,769 --> 00:16:41,649 watched shows that riot - guts for doing 349 00:16:49,769 --> 00:16:45,779 that yeah I thought that was fantastic 350 00:16:51,420 --> 00:16:49,779 ahead way for sure and you know talking 351 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:51,430 about the the public's perception of 352 00:16:57,780 --> 00:16:56,410 this nowadays it's you know I I almost 353 00:17:00,689 --> 00:16:57,790 hate to admit this I'm a woman you know 354 00:17:04,799 --> 00:17:00,699 but the people in my age group 355 00:17:08,159 --> 00:17:04,809 I honestly I've never really met anybody 356 00:17:12,689 --> 00:17:08,169 in my generation and I was born in 87 357 00:17:14,549 --> 00:17:12,699 that really ever ever questioned the 358 00:17:19,679 --> 00:17:14,559 notion of extraterrestrial life in the 359 00:17:21,659 --> 00:17:19,689 universe even UFOs I mean we grow up we 360 00:17:23,210 --> 00:17:21,669 grew up with et and all these other 361 00:17:26,579 --> 00:17:23,220 shows it was all over the place right 362 00:17:28,199 --> 00:17:26,589 and we all you know it's almost like 363 00:17:29,909 --> 00:17:28,209 matter-of-fact for our generation well 364 00:17:32,940 --> 00:17:29,919 it's like of course there's life out 365 00:17:34,799 --> 00:17:32,950 there because the consensus nowadays is 366 00:17:37,260 --> 00:17:34,809 of course there's life out there which 367 00:17:38,970 --> 00:17:37,270 you know some years ago you know it was 368 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:38,980 you know you couldn't really say that 369 00:17:43,860 --> 00:17:42,490 but nowadays you know the consensus for 370 00:17:45,690 --> 00:17:43,870 mainstream science is of course there's 371 00:17:47,490 --> 00:17:45,700 life out there they just argue about all 372 00:17:50,159 --> 00:17:47,500 they can't get here yet but if we're 373 00:17:51,539 --> 00:17:50,169 working with civilizations that are even 374 00:17:53,070 --> 00:17:51,549 a hundred years ahead of us we couldn't 375 00:17:55,590 --> 00:17:53,080 understand their physics for the most 376 00:18:02,220 --> 00:17:55,600 part about a million yeah exactly a 377 00:18:06,360 --> 00:18:02,230 million but 1650s Bishop Ussher thought 378 00:18:09,690 --> 00:18:06,370 that the world was created in 4004 BC so 379 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:09,700 6,000 years ago he left zeroes out of 380 00:18:17,940 --> 00:18:16,090 this billion years of the small talk 381 00:18:20,220 --> 00:18:17,950 here what are your what are your 382 00:18:22,380 --> 00:18:20,230 thoughts are in the terms from from UFO 383 00:18:24,210 --> 00:18:22,390 to you ap just you know Hillary Clinton 384 00:18:25,950 --> 00:18:24,220 mentioned that term and it's it's been a 385 00:18:28,230 --> 00:18:25,960 buzz term sense it hasn't picked up 386 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:28,240 quite as much as UFOs but people are 387 00:18:34,289 --> 00:18:30,010 using it in the in the research field 388 00:18:36,210 --> 00:18:34,299 well you know always so much easier to 389 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:36,220 say you know and it's been around for so 390 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:37,690 long that everybody knows what you're 391 00:18:42,110 --> 00:18:39,330 talking about 392 00:18:46,230 --> 00:18:42,120 UAP sounds very much more sophisticated 393 00:18:49,399 --> 00:18:46,240 and covers a bit more ground and to most 394 00:18:52,759 --> 00:18:49,409 people UFO means alien spacecraft you ap 395 00:18:56,820 --> 00:18:52,769 could be Russian spacecraft who knows 396 00:18:59,220 --> 00:18:56,830 but I don't mind UFO and most of my 397 00:19:01,590 --> 00:18:59,230 lectures I entitled flying saucers are 398 00:19:04,259 --> 00:19:01,600 real and I prefer flying saucer to UFO 399 00:19:06,509 --> 00:19:04,269 because UFOs are all kinds of things 400 00:19:09,330 --> 00:19:06,519 many different things are get my beliefs 401 00:19:12,779 --> 00:19:09,340 UFOs and get identified I'm interested 402 00:19:14,070 --> 00:19:12,789 in alien spacecraft I'm not seeing their 403 00:19:17,070 --> 00:19:14,080 honor they're interesting things going 404 00:19:18,330 --> 00:19:17,080 on of course I and wouldn't dare to say 405 00:19:20,610 --> 00:19:18,340 that because there are interesting 406 00:19:22,019 --> 00:19:20,620 things out there and unlike some people 407 00:19:23,789 --> 00:19:22,029 I don't think we know all there is to 408 00:19:25,980 --> 00:19:23,799 know about what's going on in our 409 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:25,990 neighborhood and every generation thinks 410 00:19:32,159 --> 00:19:28,450 that it knows at all nothing new to be 411 00:19:34,529 --> 00:19:32,169 discovered and in my book with kathleen 412 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:34,539 martin science was wrong we have 14 413 00:19:39,210 --> 00:19:36,490 chapters each one stimulated by some 414 00:19:42,419 --> 00:19:39,220 very smart person saying something was 415 00:19:45,749 --> 00:19:42,429 impossible who turned out to be wrong 416 00:19:48,509 --> 00:19:45,759 not just that man will will never fly 417 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:48,519 which was one of the accepted notions 418 00:19:55,860 --> 00:19:51,690 but there's a whole bunch more of those 419 00:20:00,749 --> 00:19:55,870 would stop smallpox etc etc people been 420 00:20:02,430 --> 00:20:00,759 wrong way of life yeah that was a very 421 00:20:04,590 --> 00:20:02,440 good book I remember reading that I see 422 00:20:08,450 --> 00:20:04,600 when it came out quite some time ago now 423 00:20:10,950 --> 00:20:08,460 it's years ago they were the one where 424 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:10,960 they thought the person was ridiculous 425 00:20:14,100 --> 00:20:12,250 who said if you don't wash your hands 426 00:20:15,810 --> 00:20:14,110 after giving childbirth that you can get 427 00:20:20,549 --> 00:20:15,820 the next person sick or I'm dealing with 428 00:20:24,029 --> 00:20:20,559 the dead people what can I say there are 429 00:20:28,460 --> 00:20:24,039 myths all over the place we do make 430 00:20:31,049 --> 00:20:28,470 mistakes we're not all omnipotent at all 431 00:20:32,820 --> 00:20:31,059 we have to learn to be a little 432 00:20:35,100 --> 00:20:32,830 respectful of team maybe there's some 433 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:35,110 stuff we don't know but there's one 434 00:20:39,060 --> 00:20:37,210 thing we do know is that aliens are 435 00:20:40,950 --> 00:20:39,070 visiting the government won't tell us 436 00:20:43,259 --> 00:20:40,960 and the press isn't pushing or the 437 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:43,269 scientific community either I've heard 438 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:45,129 more nonsense from the scientific 439 00:20:49,770 --> 00:20:46,850 community 440 00:20:53,980 --> 00:20:49,780 you know I'm out there on the hustings 441 00:20:56,140 --> 00:20:53,990 700 lectures is not a trivial amount 50 442 00:20:59,770 --> 00:20:56,150 states 10 provinces 19 other countries 443 00:21:01,300 --> 00:20:59,780 so I got my finger on the pulse and you 444 00:21:03,190 --> 00:21:01,310 know I've had 11 hecklers and I can't 445 00:21:07,060 --> 00:21:03,200 remember the last one and two of them 446 00:21:10,030 --> 00:21:07,070 were drunk people are and I come on very 447 00:21:13,360 --> 00:21:10,040 strong starting every lecture with four 448 00:21:14,710 --> 00:21:13,370 conclusions the earth is being visited 449 00:21:17,140 --> 00:21:14,720 by intelligently controlled 450 00:21:19,300 --> 00:21:17,150 extraterrestrial spacecraft in other 451 00:21:21,370 --> 00:21:19,310 words some UFOs or alien spacecraft 452 00:21:23,590 --> 00:21:21,380 we're dealing with a cosmic Watergate 453 00:21:26,710 --> 00:21:23,600 meaning some people in government know 454 00:21:28,780 --> 00:21:26,720 what's going around on 3rd you're no 455 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:28,790 good arguments against the first two and 456 00:21:34,510 --> 00:21:30,770 fourth we're dealing with the biggest 457 00:21:36,910 --> 00:21:34,520 story of the millennium so I'm not a 458 00:21:38,470 --> 00:21:36,920 quiet little guy who's hemming and 459 00:21:42,340 --> 00:21:38,480 hawing and saying maybe something 460 00:21:45,070 --> 00:21:42,350 exciting is going on and I don't get 461 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:45,080 tomatoes thrown at me and goodness no 462 00:21:51,730 --> 00:21:49,730 eggs either so I all over you know small 463 00:21:55,570 --> 00:21:51,740 towns big town's big country small 464 00:21:57,310 --> 00:21:55,580 countries so I don't worry about it when 465 00:22:01,320 --> 00:21:57,320 I go out there I was worried when I 466 00:22:05,620 --> 00:22:01,330 started to speak back in first lecture 467 00:22:07,500 --> 00:22:05,630 1967 I think you know how would people 468 00:22:09,670 --> 00:22:07,510 react and the first talk I gave to a 469 00:22:11,770 --> 00:22:09,680 section of the Americans due to her or 470 00:22:13,780 --> 00:22:11,780 knotek's and Astronautics I'm a member 471 00:22:16,300 --> 00:22:13,790 of the AIA it's the biggest group of 472 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:16,310 space scientists in the world and I was 473 00:22:19,780 --> 00:22:18,290 a little worried about what kind of 474 00:22:21,790 --> 00:22:19,790 reaction we're gonna get how are these 475 00:22:27,700 --> 00:22:21,800 guys gonna come at me and I've never had 476 00:22:29,470 --> 00:22:27,710 a problem so it's okay in your time 477 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:29,480 though you've seen you've seen a big 478 00:22:34,210 --> 00:22:30,890 change in the in the public perception 479 00:22:41,620 --> 00:22:34,220 about this right well no they've always 480 00:22:46,110 --> 00:22:41,630 been receptive darn it now we're dealing 481 00:22:47,980 --> 00:22:46,120 with a lot of hard evidence and facts 482 00:22:49,780 --> 00:22:47,990 you know you're known being 483 00:22:51,340 --> 00:22:49,790 down-to-earth and grounded with your 484 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:51,350 research dealing with just the facts 485 00:23:00,280 --> 00:22:53,930 getting rid of speculation and pointing 486 00:23:05,590 --> 00:23:03,670 uh were were kind of smaug by some of 487 00:23:08,380 --> 00:23:05,600 what was saying like with the special 488 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:08,390 report they were they were only counting 489 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:11,210 the 3% part when it was a much greater 490 00:23:15,310 --> 00:23:13,490 number well you know that was 491 00:23:17,260 --> 00:23:15,320 interesting that was a one of the 492 00:23:20,860 --> 00:23:17,270 earliest examples of clear and 493 00:23:24,730 --> 00:23:20,870 unambiguous lying the press release that 494 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:24,740 went out when Project Blue Book was say 495 00:23:31,090 --> 00:23:26,210 released they didn't distribute it 496 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:31,100 special report 14 it was in 1955 the 497 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:33,650 press release which got very wide 498 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:37,090 distribution didn't say who did the work 499 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:40,250 didn't say what company did the work 500 00:23:44,530 --> 00:23:42,770 what group did the work and gave none of 501 00:23:46,450 --> 00:23:44,540 the data from the report however what 502 00:23:48,370 --> 00:23:46,460 they did say was the secretary of the 503 00:23:49,500 --> 00:23:48,380 Air Force was quoted as saying not just 504 00:23:52,540 --> 00:23:49,510 anybody 505 00:23:55,120 --> 00:23:52,550 Donal quarrels on the basis of this 506 00:23:57,070 --> 00:23:55,130 study we believe that no objects such as 507 00:23:58,990 --> 00:23:57,080 those properly described as flying 508 00:24:03,010 --> 00:23:59,000 saucers have over flown the United 509 00:24:04,510 --> 00:24:03,020 States even the unknown 3% could have 510 00:24:07,150 --> 00:24:04,520 been identified as conventional 511 00:24:09,300 --> 00:24:07,160 phenomena or illusions if more complete 512 00:24:11,830 --> 00:24:09,310 observational data had been available 513 00:24:14,710 --> 00:24:11,840 well that's pretty straightforward to 514 00:24:16,810 --> 00:24:14,720 lie the unknowns were twenty one and a 515 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:16,820 half percent I had the report when I 516 00:24:20,890 --> 00:24:19,250 looked at the press release and I was 517 00:24:23,530 --> 00:24:20,900 shocked I'm not accustomed to being 518 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:23,540 lying about especially by the secretary 519 00:24:31,420 --> 00:24:28,730 of the Air Force lied to and not only 520 00:24:34,030 --> 00:24:31,430 that that it was 21 and a half and not 521 00:24:35,770 --> 00:24:34,040 three but it was also found that the 522 00:24:39,460 --> 00:24:35,780 better the quality of this sighting the 523 00:24:41,500 --> 00:24:39,470 more likely to be unexplainable they did 524 00:24:44,170 --> 00:24:41,510 a cross comparison between the unknowns 525 00:24:46,450 --> 00:24:44,180 and the knowns the probability that the 526 00:24:47,950 --> 00:24:46,460 unknowns are just missed knowns a 527 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:47,960 chi-square analysis for any 528 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:50,810 mathematicians out there probably the 529 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:54,650 unknowns are just misses less than 1% so 530 00:24:59,050 --> 00:24:56,810 we're not talking about you know maybe 531 00:25:00,670 --> 00:24:59,060 there's something going on it's clear 532 00:25:03,610 --> 00:25:00,680 that there's something going on and they 533 00:25:05,650 --> 00:25:03,620 lied about it and I don't like that 534 00:25:09,190 --> 00:25:05,660 that's one of the reasons for my quest 535 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:09,200 if you will I don't like the public 536 00:25:13,030 --> 00:25:11,570 being told lies I'm not opposed to 537 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:13,040 secrecy as such 538 00:25:18,850 --> 00:25:15,530 I worked under security and I understand 539 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:18,860 the need for it but let's not say 3% 540 00:25:24,100 --> 00:25:21,490 unknown if it's 21 and a half percent 541 00:25:26,140 --> 00:25:24,110 just to jump in there that that study 542 00:25:29,590 --> 00:25:26,150 was done by Patel the Battelle Memorial 543 00:25:31,210 --> 00:25:29,600 Institute and it was actually right 544 00:25:33,460 --> 00:25:31,220 right it was actually a pretty good 545 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:33,470 study wouldn't you agree the study 546 00:25:38,950 --> 00:25:35,330 itself not the spin on it from the Air 547 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:38,960 Force yeah the the study was an 548 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:40,970 outstanding study under the tables 549 00:25:45,970 --> 00:25:43,490 charts graphs maps they use to write 550 00:25:47,950 --> 00:25:45,980 questions but people didn't know at the 551 00:25:50,230 --> 00:25:47,960 end what the results were because the 552 00:25:52,210 --> 00:25:50,240 press release was totally misleading the 553 00:25:56,530 --> 00:25:52,220 press release was not issued by Patel it 554 00:25:58,180 --> 00:25:56,540 was put out by the airport now you're 555 00:26:01,030 --> 00:25:58,190 dealing with all these these the 556 00:26:03,100 --> 00:26:01,040 evidence and the hard facts how did you 557 00:26:05,350 --> 00:26:03,110 go from from that and then get involved 558 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:05,360 into the the infamous Betty and Barney 559 00:26:12,700 --> 00:26:08,450 Hill case well I don't know why it's 560 00:26:16,210 --> 00:26:12,710 infamous I was curious I read the book 561 00:26:20,670 --> 00:26:16,220 interrupted journey and then I had been 562 00:26:24,070 --> 00:26:20,680 doing programs on KDKA and Pittsburgh 563 00:26:27,100 --> 00:26:24,080 big television station there and it 564 00:26:28,450 --> 00:26:27,110 called me and told me that Betty and 565 00:26:29,950 --> 00:26:28,460 Barney they were bringing Betty and 566 00:26:32,890 --> 00:26:29,960 Barney into town I'd done several 567 00:26:35,230 --> 00:26:32,900 appearances on their programs and they 568 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:35,240 told me where they were staying which is 569 00:26:42,610 --> 00:26:39,050 very unusual and I called them and we 570 00:26:44,740 --> 00:26:42,620 had dinner together and I was kept 571 00:26:46,540 --> 00:26:44,750 listening carefully to see did they say 572 00:26:48,910 --> 00:26:46,550 anything that was different from what 573 00:26:51,820 --> 00:26:48,920 was said in the book and no they didn't 574 00:26:53,950 --> 00:26:51,830 I was very favorably impressed and I 575 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:53,960 spent time I've been it was at their 576 00:26:59,350 --> 00:26:56,570 home they're both gone now of course but 577 00:27:01,680 --> 00:26:59,360 and Kathleen Martin with whom I've 578 00:27:04,420 --> 00:27:01,690 written three books is Betty's niece and 579 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:04,430 she made a serious effort to find out 580 00:27:08,110 --> 00:27:06,890 was Betty telling the whole truth and 581 00:27:11,860 --> 00:27:08,120 nothing but the truth they're just 582 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:11,870 looking for attention or whatever and no 583 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:15,170 I bet he does have a good imagination I 584 00:27:22,510 --> 00:27:20,570 don't did I don't mean that but so I got 585 00:27:24,390 --> 00:27:22,520 interested and then I was particularly 586 00:27:26,470 --> 00:27:24,400 concerned about the starmap 587 00:27:28,390 --> 00:27:26,480 and I got a call for 588 00:27:30,250 --> 00:27:28,400 Koral Lorenzen head of the aerial 589 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:30,260 phenomenon research organization way 590 00:27:36,970 --> 00:27:34,850 back in the 60s marjorie fish was a 591 00:27:39,789 --> 00:27:36,980 woman who was trying to do something 592 00:27:41,890 --> 00:27:39,799 about the star map that was in the book 593 00:27:46,090 --> 00:27:41,900 that betty supposedly had seen on board 594 00:27:48,039 --> 00:27:46,100 the craft and she Marjorie called coral 595 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:48,049 to find out if she knew any scientists 596 00:27:51,340 --> 00:27:49,250 who might be interested in working with 597 00:27:54,310 --> 00:27:51,350 her to deal with some of the problems 598 00:27:56,260 --> 00:27:54,320 about that and she brick said yes it was 599 00:27:58,419 --> 00:27:56,270 okay to recommend me and I said sure so 600 00:28:01,470 --> 00:27:58,429 I called Marjorie and I visited with her 601 00:28:05,289 --> 00:28:01,480 in Toledo she's gone now unfortunately 602 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:05,299 and I was the first to publish about her 603 00:28:13,360 --> 00:28:09,530 work it was outstanding research and out 604 00:28:16,360 --> 00:28:13,370 of that came the identification of the 605 00:28:21,340 --> 00:28:16,370 place that the Stars the the names of 606 00:28:23,950 --> 00:28:21,350 the stars in the map and it was amazing 607 00:28:26,289 --> 00:28:23,960 that the base stars were the closest to 608 00:28:29,350 --> 00:28:26,299 each other pair of sun-like stars in our 609 00:28:32,740 --> 00:28:29,360 entire local neighborhood could that be 610 00:28:37,090 --> 00:28:32,750 a coincidence you know there were only 611 00:28:40,659 --> 00:28:37,100 an eighth of a Lightyear apart not four 612 00:28:43,930 --> 00:28:40,669 or five light-years apart and Zeta 1 and 613 00:28:45,100 --> 00:28:43,940 Zeta 2 Reticuli so I got heavily 614 00:28:47,049 --> 00:28:45,110 involved in that I was opposed to 615 00:28:49,210 --> 00:28:47,059 publishing the article I convinced teri 616 00:28:51,190 --> 00:28:49,220 Dickinson editor of astronomy magazine 617 00:28:53,020 --> 00:28:51,200 to do an article and he talked to lots 618 00:28:55,570 --> 00:28:53,030 of people it wasn't on my say-so but I 619 00:28:57,430 --> 00:28:55,580 sent him a copy of my article and then 620 00:28:59,530 --> 00:28:57,440 he talked to all kinds of people and the 621 00:29:02,110 --> 00:28:59,540 article got more response than any 622 00:29:07,390 --> 00:29:02,120 article astronomy ever published and 623 00:29:09,460 --> 00:29:07,400 they got they published a letter an 624 00:29:14,950 --> 00:29:09,470 issue I think for the next year in 625 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:14,960 response to that so I was very heavily 626 00:29:18,870 --> 00:29:16,970 involved and I was very favorably 627 00:29:21,549 --> 00:29:18,880 impressed and I was willing to appear 628 00:29:24,909 --> 00:29:21,559 Betty and I were on with on the tomorrow 629 00:29:27,690 --> 00:29:24,919 show at Tom Snyder and you know there's 630 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:27,700 a guy I got to give a lot of credit on 631 00:29:33,669 --> 00:29:31,730 the first segment Betty was on and when 632 00:29:36,130 --> 00:29:33,679 I came on they were done in segments and 633 00:29:39,039 --> 00:29:36,140 there was no audience and I said to time 634 00:29:40,460 --> 00:29:39,049 you know the audience doesn't know that 635 00:29:45,310 --> 00:29:40,470 Betty is a 636 00:29:48,649 --> 00:29:45,320 worker you know maybe it would help 637 00:29:51,529 --> 00:29:48,659 recognize that she's not just a nobody 638 00:29:53,450 --> 00:29:51,539 first we come back on the air first 639 00:29:56,270 --> 00:29:53,460 thing he asks her is about her 640 00:30:01,000 --> 00:29:56,280 background not everybody will pay 641 00:30:04,669 --> 00:30:01,010 attention to what I guess the truth 642 00:30:07,669 --> 00:30:04,679 having been out there so I was very 643 00:30:11,029 --> 00:30:07,679 impressed with that so I've been on that 644 00:30:13,220 --> 00:30:11,039 case for a very long time and it was 645 00:30:15,230 --> 00:30:13,230 easy to get connected because I could 646 00:30:19,100 --> 00:30:15,240 use my science background go for the 647 00:30:22,010 --> 00:30:19,110 facts the evidence the data find out 648 00:30:23,630 --> 00:30:22,020 about stars and which ones are where and 649 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:23,640 how far apart they are and it's 650 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:26,130 interesting that all the stars in the 651 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:29,490 map turn out to be in a plane like the 652 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:33,690 planets in our solar system like pieces 653 00:30:42,470 --> 00:30:39,090 of pizza on a piece of salami I was 654 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:42,480 going to say on a pizza you know they're 655 00:30:47,990 --> 00:30:44,250 not floating about in three dimensions 656 00:30:50,539 --> 00:30:48,000 there and on the surface and all the 657 00:30:52,220 --> 00:30:50,549 stars in the map are in a plane now 658 00:30:54,740 --> 00:30:52,230 that's important because it's much easy 659 00:30:56,690 --> 00:30:54,750 to travel if you stay within the same 660 00:31:01,390 --> 00:30:56,700 plane going around the solar system for 661 00:31:04,010 --> 00:31:01,400 example so I got intrigued by always 662 00:31:06,980 --> 00:31:04,020 stuff and what for the facts and the 663 00:31:11,210 --> 00:31:06,990 data that's what science is all about 664 00:31:13,220 --> 00:31:11,220 and remember I'm independent I don't 665 00:31:16,430 --> 00:31:13,230 know anybody having to stick to their 666 00:31:21,580 --> 00:31:16,440 party line I can say what I darn please 667 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:21,590 and some people will tell you I do now 668 00:31:27,890 --> 00:31:24,450 other than the storm at the storm up 669 00:31:29,750 --> 00:31:27,900 aspect of the case what are some of the 670 00:31:31,070 --> 00:31:29,760 other compelling pieces of facts and 671 00:31:32,230 --> 00:31:31,080 evidence do you think that support of 672 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:32,240 the case 673 00:31:40,220 --> 00:31:36,210 well dr. Simon but the psychiatrist who 674 00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:40,230 did the hypnosis work now here's a man 675 00:31:47,930 --> 00:31:44,880 who treated 3,000 people at a Veterans 676 00:31:50,510 --> 00:31:47,940 Hospital shell-shocked veterans people 677 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:50,520 who dr. Syme didn't know anything about 678 00:31:54,140 --> 00:31:52,890 flying saucers but he knew how to deal 679 00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:54,150 with people who had 680 00:31:59,600 --> 00:31:57,210 maduk experiences and how to get him 681 00:32:01,130 --> 00:31:59,610 back online so to speak you know your 682 00:32:03,380 --> 00:32:01,140 buddy said gets blown off in the 683 00:32:05,540 --> 00:32:03,390 military next to you 684 00:32:09,020 --> 00:32:05,550 how do you handle that that's that's not 685 00:32:11,060 --> 00:32:09,030 easy and he did have to stop one session 686 00:32:12,710 --> 00:32:11,070 each with Betty and Barney because the 687 00:32:15,350 --> 00:32:12,720 emotional intensity was getting too 688 00:32:18,530 --> 00:32:15,360 great he was worried about it so he was 689 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:18,540 not a UFO expert but he sure was an 690 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:20,610 expert about dealing with people who 691 00:32:24,550 --> 00:32:22,410 have had traumatic experiences that was 692 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:24,560 very impressive 693 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:27,570 you know that's unusually well he wasn't 694 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:30,690 a party hypnotist kind of thing this is 695 00:32:39,350 --> 00:32:35,730 a world-class expert 3,000 shell-shocked 696 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:39,360 War veterans from World War two is quite 697 00:32:46,370 --> 00:32:42,450 a number of people to have to deal with 698 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:46,380 he knew what he was doing and so trying 699 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:49,770 to it's funny how the debunkers and all 700 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:52,170 aspects of ufology almost always leave 701 00:32:59,840 --> 00:32:55,490 out significant aspects of the 702 00:33:02,840 --> 00:32:59,850 investigation you know about Betty and 703 00:33:04,910 --> 00:33:02,850 Barney or dr. Simon or all kinds of 704 00:33:08,690 --> 00:33:04,920 other ones where they don't bother to 705 00:33:11,210 --> 00:33:08,700 mention the important details that help 706 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:11,220 you to understand that this opinion is 707 00:33:17,330 --> 00:33:14,490 not from the bottom of the pet it's from 708 00:33:20,630 --> 00:33:17,340 a lofty investigation by people who know 709 00:33:22,340 --> 00:33:20,640 what they're doing so I was very 710 00:33:27,740 --> 00:33:22,350 impressed with Betty and Barney and with 711 00:33:29,570 --> 00:33:27,750 dr. Simon and you know it's so easy to 712 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:29,580 take a stand well that's too outlandish 713 00:33:36,470 --> 00:33:33,450 that can't be true you know most great 714 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:36,480 discoveries in science were rejected at 715 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:37,770 the beginning because they were too 716 00:33:47,660 --> 00:33:42,530 outlandish you know I'm sorry but 717 00:33:50,420 --> 00:33:47,670 surprise is a way of life in science do 718 00:33:53,270 --> 00:33:50,430 you think that the the Betty and Barney 719 00:33:57,770 --> 00:33:53,280 talk case is a standalone that that 720 00:34:01,100 --> 00:33:57,780 that's like the only case of its kind or 721 00:34:03,500 --> 00:34:01,110 you think that no I don't know no I do 722 00:34:05,370 --> 00:34:03,510 not at all like there are loads of good 723 00:34:08,409 --> 00:34:05,380 abduction cases 724 00:34:10,540 --> 00:34:08,419 and I don't know of another one that had 725 00:34:13,630 --> 00:34:10,550 such details on a star map and things 726 00:34:15,909 --> 00:34:13,640 like that but look the importance of the 727 00:34:19,389 --> 00:34:15,919 star map is much more because of 728 00:34:24,610 --> 00:34:19,399 Marjorie Fisher's work to pin denim that 729 00:34:28,149 --> 00:34:24,620 was an incredible piece of work and I I 730 00:34:29,710 --> 00:34:28,159 did meet with her that's not action from 731 00:34:33,250 --> 00:34:29,720 a distance I was the first to publish 732 00:34:36,940 --> 00:34:33,260 about it and I was darn careful about 733 00:34:38,470 --> 00:34:36,950 what I said and I was like I said I was 734 00:34:42,399 --> 00:34:38,480 very impressed with her but I also 735 00:34:44,590 --> 00:34:42,409 looked at her work and so it's the only 736 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:44,600 case like that in the sense of having 737 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:46,610 week where we can pin down a particular 738 00:34:51,310 --> 00:34:48,890 star system and and all that sort of 739 00:34:54,610 --> 00:34:51,320 stuff but in terms of being a good 740 00:34:56,380 --> 00:34:54,620 abduction case no the Kathleen Martin 741 00:35:00,730 --> 00:34:56,390 with whom I've written three books 742 00:35:03,910 --> 00:35:00,740 Betty's niece has really done a lot of 743 00:35:06,970 --> 00:35:03,920 look at experiences people have been 744 00:35:07,720 --> 00:35:06,980 abducted and there are lots of them out 745 00:35:10,930 --> 00:35:07,730 there 746 00:35:12,460 --> 00:35:10,940 and trying to get it the facts I'm not 747 00:35:14,980 --> 00:35:12,470 saying there aren't people out there who 748 00:35:18,010 --> 00:35:14,990 were putting up Bologna that's true and 749 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:18,020 everything so I'm not saying every story 750 00:35:21,670 --> 00:35:19,130 of an abduction is our 751 00:35:23,980 --> 00:35:21,680 honest-to-goodness abduction I'm not 752 00:35:27,820 --> 00:35:23,990 saying that at all but when the stories 753 00:35:28,570 --> 00:35:27,830 get carefully investigated were facts 754 00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:28,580 get checked 755 00:35:38,230 --> 00:35:32,210 data gets sorted so to speak there are 756 00:35:40,810 --> 00:35:38,240 lots of good abduction cases not me I've 757 00:35:46,210 --> 00:35:40,820 never never even seen an alien D'Arnot 758 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:46,220 hey guys and just work just for the 759 00:35:51,420 --> 00:35:49,130 audience listening of course as Stan 760 00:35:53,770 --> 00:35:51,430 mentioned that he he co-authored a book 761 00:35:56,290 --> 00:35:53,780 called captured the Betty and Barney 762 00:35:57,610 --> 00:35:56,300 Hill UFO experience that'll be in this 763 00:36:03,010 --> 00:35:57,620 description for people who are 764 00:36:05,860 --> 00:36:03,020 interested in that book but now I think 765 00:36:07,060 --> 00:36:05,870 we're gonna get worn into the Roswell 766 00:36:11,380 --> 00:36:07,070 side of things Frank what do you got 767 00:36:13,330 --> 00:36:11,390 okay one thing we didn't mention at the 768 00:36:15,580 --> 00:36:13,340 top of the show is that the statement 769 00:36:18,670 --> 00:36:15,590 you have announced essentially your 770 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:18,680 retirement from at least actively speak 771 00:36:24,610 --> 00:36:22,010 writing and so on and there's a whole 772 00:36:30,190 --> 00:36:24,620 new generation of researchers out there 773 00:36:33,250 --> 00:36:30,200 and you got into the Roswell case in the 774 00:36:35,110 --> 00:36:33,260 first place is basically a tip that came 775 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:35,120 to you while you were down in Louisiana 776 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:39,050 I believe yeah doing some work this is 777 00:36:43,570 --> 00:36:40,970 probably you probably should go down in 778 00:36:47,250 --> 00:36:43,580 the UFO research history as the greatest 779 00:36:51,610 --> 00:36:47,260 tip ever gotten that you followed up on 780 00:36:54,970 --> 00:36:51,620 well yeah it was I was thinking at 781 00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:54,980 Louisiana State University and the 782 00:36:58,870 --> 00:36:56,810 students from school had brought me out 783 00:37:01,930 --> 00:36:58,880 to a television station I supposed to do 784 00:37:04,090 --> 00:37:01,940 three interviews and I done the 785 00:37:06,430 --> 00:37:04,100 interviews and when I was finished the 786 00:37:08,830 --> 00:37:06,440 guy who had been doing the interviews 787 00:37:11,020 --> 00:37:08,840 said you know the guy this is off the 788 00:37:13,710 --> 00:37:11,030 air nobody else around and not joking 789 00:37:16,180 --> 00:37:13,720 the guy ought to talk to is Jesse Marcel 790 00:37:19,180 --> 00:37:16,190 brilliant investigator that I am I said 791 00:37:20,710 --> 00:37:19,190 who's eight he handled wreckage of one 792 00:37:23,590 --> 00:37:20,720 of those saucers you're interested in 793 00:37:25,630 --> 00:37:23,600 when he was in the military what and it 794 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:25,640 was totally out of the blue and he was 795 00:37:29,050 --> 00:37:27,650 serious this was not a joke he was 796 00:37:30,340 --> 00:37:29,060 telling and it weren't other people 797 00:37:37,300 --> 00:37:30,350 around who were there well what do you 798 00:37:41,460 --> 00:37:37,310 know about him he's a great guy he was 799 00:37:46,870 --> 00:37:41,470 the intelligence officer in Roswell and 800 00:37:48,970 --> 00:37:46,880 he was the guy who the guy was talk to 801 00:37:51,970 --> 00:37:48,980 me heard about it because the two of 802 00:37:53,980 --> 00:37:51,980 them were ham radio operators and this 803 00:37:58,360 --> 00:37:53,990 Jesse's story was actually in the 804 00:38:00,580 --> 00:37:58,370 newspapers in 1947 I it was old 805 00:38:02,350 --> 00:38:00,590 today wonder until the airport said no 806 00:38:04,420 --> 00:38:02,360 no just a radar reflector weather 807 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:04,430 balloon combination but back in those 808 00:38:09,340 --> 00:38:06,770 days back in those days you have no way 809 00:38:10,990 --> 00:38:09,350 of knowing any of that you're just 810 00:38:14,770 --> 00:38:11,000 getting a tip from a guy about another 811 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:14,780 guy you said a saucer crashed so you 812 00:38:20,410 --> 00:38:17,090 know nothing at this point yes so the 813 00:38:23,170 --> 00:38:20,420 next day I guess where's he live well 814 00:38:26,500 --> 00:38:23,180 he's over in Houma Louisiana I didn't 815 00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:26,510 know where that was but the next day I 816 00:38:30,850 --> 00:38:28,610 called information and for the young 817 00:38:32,260 --> 00:38:30,860 people that's how we used to get phone 818 00:38:34,060 --> 00:38:32,270 numbers you called him for 819 00:38:35,710 --> 00:38:34,070 Meishan in the right area code and they 820 00:38:38,950 --> 00:38:35,720 could even tell you what part of town it 821 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:38,960 was in and I got a number for Jesse a 822 00:38:46,180 --> 00:38:41,450 Marcel fortunately his name wasn't on 823 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:46,190 Smith and I spoke with him and he told 824 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:49,010 me his story he was the intelligence 825 00:38:55,540 --> 00:38:52,970 officer of the 509 and he talked about 826 00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:55,550 the rancher coming in and it's going to 827 00:38:59,620 --> 00:38:57,410 a sheriff and the sheriff sending him to 828 00:39:01,300 --> 00:38:59,630 Jesse who was the base intelligence 829 00:39:02,530 --> 00:39:01,310 officer and the thing you have to 830 00:39:04,450 --> 00:39:02,540 remember about Roswell 831 00:39:07,510 --> 00:39:04,460 I was the home of the most elite 832 00:39:10,780 --> 00:39:07,520 military group in the entire world 833 00:39:12,820 --> 00:39:10,790 the 509 why do I say that they're the 834 00:39:15,790 --> 00:39:12,830 most elite group they dropped the atomic 835 00:39:17,860 --> 00:39:15,800 bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki they 836 00:39:20,740 --> 00:39:17,870 dropped two more in operation crossroads 837 00:39:23,890 --> 00:39:20,750 a couple of years later nobody else had 838 00:39:25,570 --> 00:39:23,900 atomic bombs at that time so yeah to 839 00:39:27,370 --> 00:39:25,580 have a high-level security clearance and 840 00:39:29,350 --> 00:39:27,380 you pick your best people for this kind 841 00:39:33,730 --> 00:39:29,360 of thing you know big things to drop 842 00:39:36,820 --> 00:39:33,740 atomic and the guy I talked to when I 843 00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:36,830 first heard about this and again it was 844 00:39:44,650 --> 00:39:39,530 just my accident I heard about the 845 00:39:47,020 --> 00:39:44,660 Roswell story from this interaction and 846 00:39:49,590 --> 00:39:47,030 I looked in the editor and publisher and 847 00:39:53,140 --> 00:39:49,600 oh there's a newspaper in Roswell 848 00:39:55,810 --> 00:39:53,150 why would I know anything you know so I 849 00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:55,820 called a newspaper and I say a kind of 850 00:40:00,970 --> 00:39:57,530 story here I wonder if you can help me 851 00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:00,980 sure as well sensitive guy named Walter 852 00:40:05,770 --> 00:40:03,890 how to haunt his name is spoke two or 853 00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:05,780 three different ways before I could 854 00:40:10,450 --> 00:40:07,130 finish the centuries here so his wife 855 00:40:14,470 --> 00:40:10,460 works here what she works at the 856 00:40:18,070 --> 00:40:14,480 newspaper so I talk to her and then I 857 00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:18,080 talked to Walter and Walter was indeed 858 00:40:23,290 --> 00:40:20,090 the public information officer who put 859 00:40:26,290 --> 00:40:23,300 out the story about Roswell and his name 860 00:40:29,610 --> 00:40:26,300 is in the original articles but at least 861 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:29,620 is important he was a bombardier who 862 00:40:38,230 --> 00:40:34,490 flew 20 missions over Japan and actually 863 00:40:39,910 --> 00:40:38,240 dropped one of the nuclear weapons the 864 00:40:44,410 --> 00:40:39,920 instrument package over one of the 865 00:40:47,980 --> 00:40:44,420 nuclear weapons explosions in 1947 I 866 00:40:49,660 --> 00:40:47,990 guess it was and you pick your best guy 867 00:40:52,240 --> 00:40:49,670 to do that because we didn't have many 868 00:40:53,620 --> 00:40:52,250 atomic bombs to waste at that time and 869 00:40:56,980 --> 00:40:53,630 if you don't have the instrument package 870 00:40:58,720 --> 00:40:56,990 it's a wasted effort so Walter and it 871 00:41:00,670 --> 00:40:58,730 was well respected in the community of 872 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:00,680 Roswell and all I say he was a big help 873 00:41:06,670 --> 00:41:03,290 to me he had a base your book shared all 874 00:41:10,780 --> 00:41:06,680 I remembered where a lot of the people 875 00:41:13,780 --> 00:41:10,790 still were I mean this happened in 47 I 876 00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:13,790 talked to him and 78 you know just a few 877 00:41:19,180 --> 00:41:16,850 years at what point are you finally 878 00:41:22,060 --> 00:41:19,190 saying to yourself oh my goodness 879 00:41:24,850 --> 00:41:22,070 gracious me I'm actually on to something 880 00:41:26,770 --> 00:41:24,860 here well it was pretty quick after 881 00:41:30,490 --> 00:41:26,780 talking to Walter I mean I was impressed 882 00:41:32,020 --> 00:41:30,500 with Jesse I'm a nuclear guy you know 883 00:41:35,020 --> 00:41:32,030 he's the intelligence officer at the 884 00:41:37,930 --> 00:41:35,030 only nuclear group in the world that 885 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:37,940 says something again you don't pick a 886 00:41:44,770 --> 00:41:41,450 dink for that uh you know what I mean oh 887 00:41:49,380 --> 00:41:44,780 yeah right after the war you know you 888 00:41:52,270 --> 00:41:49,390 don't say anybody volunteer for this job 889 00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:52,280 so I was very impressed with him and I 890 00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:53,690 was impressed with Walter and Walter 891 00:41:58,930 --> 00:41:56,570 gave me within a year bill more and I 892 00:42:01,390 --> 00:41:58,940 had found 60 people in conjunction with 893 00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:01,400 the Roswell incident his happen to 894 00:42:04,510 --> 00:42:02,810 yearbook was a big help and he 895 00:42:07,390 --> 00:42:04,520 remembered a lot of the guys and so 896 00:42:09,100 --> 00:42:07,400 forth and you call one guy and you don't 897 00:42:10,810 --> 00:42:09,110 remember anybody else who was there and 898 00:42:13,150 --> 00:42:10,820 at first they'll say now you know it so 899 00:42:15,910 --> 00:42:13,160 long ago and then oh how about Bill 900 00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:15,920 Jones and pretty soon you may wind up 901 00:42:20,890 --> 00:42:18,530 with five names and yeah the last I 902 00:42:22,990 --> 00:42:20,900 heard my Christmas card list he was 903 00:42:26,050 --> 00:42:23,000 living in Oshkosh you know stuff like 904 00:42:28,060 --> 00:42:26,060 that so it's hard work you know because 905 00:42:29,380 --> 00:42:28,070 a lot of times you don't find out 906 00:42:32,770 --> 00:42:29,390 anything useful then you call somebody 907 00:42:36,910 --> 00:42:32,780 but we've found 60 people within a year 908 00:42:39,490 --> 00:42:36,920 and another 30 within another year but 909 00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:39,500 it doesn't just happen in other words 910 00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:41,450 they they don't come running to you hey 911 00:42:48,270 --> 00:42:43,130 I understand you're investigating 912 00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:48,280 Roswell far from it and you know 913 00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:50,810 everybody realizes that there's a sort 914 00:42:54,970 --> 00:42:53,330 of stigma attached if you say you've 915 00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:54,980 seen a flying saucer and if you're going 916 00:42:59,380 --> 00:42:56,810 to talk about a crash flying 917 00:43:01,870 --> 00:42:59,390 boy you're gonna be very careful about 918 00:43:04,900 --> 00:43:01,880 opening your mouth so you have to 919 00:43:08,260 --> 00:43:04,910 approach these things cautiously and you 920 00:43:09,930 --> 00:43:08,270 know I can't get people to understand 921 00:43:13,060 --> 00:43:09,940 that you're going to take it seriously 922 00:43:16,660 --> 00:43:13,070 but the people are out there but you got 923 00:43:19,810 --> 00:43:16,670 to go looking for him some people are 924 00:43:23,140 --> 00:43:19,820 too lazy got it it's a little easier 925 00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:23,150 today but how oh yeah how far in were 926 00:43:30,070 --> 00:43:25,490 you before you actually physically 927 00:43:35,110 --> 00:43:30,080 decided to go to Roswell that's a good 928 00:43:37,180 --> 00:43:35,120 question I don't know it was pretty 929 00:43:40,060 --> 00:43:37,190 close to the beginning long before there 930 00:43:42,490 --> 00:43:40,070 was a music him okay okay okay 931 00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:42,500 and you also I mentioned working with 932 00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:44,330 Bill Moore on this now I know he ran 933 00:43:49,660 --> 00:43:46,850 into some controversy after the fact 934 00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:49,670 yeah yeah he was taking some information 935 00:43:56,230 --> 00:43:53,770 from a fuzzy I believe and basically 936 00:43:58,330 --> 00:43:56,240 spreading some bad information in order 937 00:43:59,800 --> 00:43:58,340 to get some good information can you 938 00:44:03,070 --> 00:43:59,810 tell us a little bit about him before we 939 00:44:05,020 --> 00:44:03,080 double back to Roswell well bill and I 940 00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:05,030 knew each other from a UFO research 941 00:44:11,050 --> 00:44:09,050 group in Pittsburgh and when I heard 942 00:44:13,750 --> 00:44:11,060 about Roswell I shared information with 943 00:44:16,090 --> 00:44:13,760 him and he was a big part of finding 944 00:44:20,770 --> 00:44:16,100 those 60 people he's a persistent 945 00:44:22,930 --> 00:44:20,780 investigator you know he'd go off to go 946 00:44:27,190 --> 00:44:22,940 to three research places on the same 947 00:44:29,350 --> 00:44:27,200 trip kind of thing but he got out of it 948 00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:29,360 and sometimes his imagination was a 949 00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:32,690 little bit too great maybe but didn't 950 00:44:38,260 --> 00:44:34,970 have the same drive it was different 951 00:44:41,470 --> 00:44:38,270 that I did and he hasn't done anything 952 00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:41,480 in ufology for many many years far as I 953 00:44:51,670 --> 00:44:47,330 know so you know to each his own we all 954 00:44:53,980 --> 00:44:51,680 have to though he did a lot of good work 955 00:44:58,000 --> 00:44:53,990 but let's face it 956 00:45:00,880 --> 00:44:58,010 then he makes some mistakes yes all 957 00:45:05,310 --> 00:45:00,890 right which of us can say that he hasn't 958 00:45:07,750 --> 00:45:05,320 made mistakes so I eat in sick with it 959 00:45:10,130 --> 00:45:07,760 terribly long but long enough to make a 960 00:45:13,099 --> 00:45:10,140 real contribution to the research 961 00:45:14,989 --> 00:45:13,109 God and he got you got offered I guess 962 00:45:17,210 --> 00:45:14,999 maybe looking from his perspective 963 00:45:18,950 --> 00:45:17,220 looking back on it now you might have 964 00:45:21,890 --> 00:45:18,960 taken a little bit of a sucker bet from 965 00:45:23,420 --> 00:45:21,900 some folks inside the military have you 966 00:45:25,789 --> 00:45:23,430 ever gotten that kind of an offer it's 967 00:45:29,269 --> 00:45:25,799 like hey Stanton will will give you this 968 00:45:32,420 --> 00:45:29,279 but you got to go with that and no no 969 00:45:33,769 --> 00:45:32,430 okay okay I don't know why maybe I just 970 00:45:37,370 --> 00:45:33,779 don't look like the kind of guy who's 971 00:45:38,809 --> 00:45:37,380 gonna you know buy it I don't know I've 972 00:45:41,109 --> 00:45:38,819 got it understood understood 973 00:45:43,220 --> 00:45:41,119 I'm getting back to Roswell the 974 00:45:45,829 --> 00:45:43,230 Materials Research and a lot of that 975 00:45:48,249 --> 00:45:45,839 work was done at Battelle as well that 976 00:45:50,779 --> 00:45:48,259 is especially interesting to me the 977 00:45:54,170 --> 00:45:50,789 materials advancement right after the 978 00:45:56,870 --> 00:45:54,180 Roswell era there are some very 979 00:45:59,720 --> 00:45:56,880 interesting developments in that and 980 00:46:02,390 --> 00:45:59,730 also a lot of the materials that were 981 00:46:04,999 --> 00:46:02,400 described shape memory alloys things 982 00:46:07,999 --> 00:46:05,009 like that suddenly within a relatively 983 00:46:10,460 --> 00:46:08,009 short time after the Roswell crash we're 984 00:46:11,989 --> 00:46:10,470 making those kinds of alloys can you 985 00:46:14,660 --> 00:46:11,999 tell us a little bit more about that 986 00:46:16,759 --> 00:46:14,670 well yeah one of the one of the things I 987 00:46:21,729 --> 00:46:16,769 should mention is that I had a contract 988 00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:21,739 in the early 1960s to give me the title 989 00:46:27,489 --> 00:46:24,690 analysis and evaluation of fast and 990 00:46:28,670 --> 00:46:27,499 intermediate reactors for space vehicle 991 00:46:32,690 --> 00:46:28,680 applications 992 00:46:38,599 --> 00:46:36,589 one word was left out Soviet I had a 993 00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:38,609 contract and I work for urge at General 994 00:46:44,109 --> 00:46:40,890 nucleonic s-- with Air Force foreign 995 00:46:47,900 --> 00:46:44,119 technology division so look at Russian 996 00:46:50,900 --> 00:46:47,910 technological literature to come up with 997 00:46:56,539 --> 00:46:50,910 an evaluation whether they would be able 998 00:46:58,489 --> 00:46:56,549 to use nuclear energy in space and the 999 00:47:00,920 --> 00:46:58,499 reason I got the contract is because I 1000 00:47:04,430 --> 00:47:00,930 had been working on nuclear systems for 1001 00:47:07,069 --> 00:47:04,440 space applications so I knew what we 1002 00:47:09,529 --> 00:47:07,079 were doing and I spent a year and I got 1003 00:47:11,420 --> 00:47:09,539 the best price to get information about 1004 00:47:15,170 --> 00:47:11,430 Russian technology was Battelle Memorial 1005 00:47:17,479 --> 00:47:15,180 Institute and Columbus they had a 1006 00:47:18,610 --> 00:47:17,489 contract with the Air Force to gather 1007 00:47:22,270 --> 00:47:18,620 such 1008 00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:22,280 data their connection was classified and 1009 00:47:29,730 --> 00:47:23,930 their name isn't mentioned in my final 1010 00:47:32,890 --> 00:47:29,740 report I don't have a copy of my final 1011 00:47:35,230 --> 00:47:32,900 because it was Chrysler ID and I 1012 00:47:39,550 --> 00:47:35,240 concluded that indeed the Russians were 1013 00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:39,560 doing it everything you need to do to 1014 00:47:43,780 --> 00:47:41,210 use nuclear energy in space and it 1015 00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:43,790 turned out later I found out they had 1016 00:47:49,900 --> 00:47:46,970 launched 30 more than 30 I can't 1017 00:47:52,090 --> 00:47:49,910 remember was 31 or 32 nuclear reactors 1018 00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:52,100 are in space the United States has 1019 00:47:57,580 --> 00:47:55,490 launched one and not a very good one so 1020 00:48:01,900 --> 00:47:57,590 the Russians are way ahead of us in that 1021 00:48:03,460 --> 00:48:01,910 I and the point of nuclear energy in 1022 00:48:06,690 --> 00:48:03,470 space is it gives you a lot more power 1023 00:48:09,130 --> 00:48:06,700 per pound so you can operate the 1024 00:48:13,030 --> 00:48:09,140 sideband radar and all kinds of other 1025 00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:13,040 stuff particle beam weapons all kinds of 1026 00:48:17,230 --> 00:48:15,050 things if it got the power and nuclear 1027 00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:17,240 energy is the way to get the power and I 1028 00:48:20,350 --> 00:48:19,010 know a lot about small reactors and 1029 00:48:24,910 --> 00:48:20,360 small radioisotope thermoelectric 1030 00:48:29,050 --> 00:48:24,920 generators and stuff like that so I had 1031 00:48:30,580 --> 00:48:29,060 done that study in the early 60s and was 1032 00:48:33,310 --> 00:48:30,590 very impressed with what the Russians 1033 00:48:37,570 --> 00:48:33,320 had been doing because frankly they were 1034 00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:37,580 way ahead of us and I don't say that 1035 00:48:41,070 --> 00:48:39,450 because my grandparents were all Russia 1036 00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:41,080 [Laughter] 1037 00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:43,970 that's not the point here 1038 00:48:52,780 --> 00:48:46,490 I had to go by facts and data and so 1039 00:48:54,430 --> 00:48:52,790 forth so and I was was so glad after I 1040 00:48:57,310 --> 00:48:54,440 had said the things I said in the 1041 00:49:04,030 --> 00:48:57,320 classified report that this other data 1042 00:49:05,860 --> 00:49:04,040 came out that indicated oh boy so and 1043 00:49:08,590 --> 00:49:05,870 most Americans aren't aware of that you 1044 00:49:12,940 --> 00:49:08,600 know there was an attitude back then you 1045 00:49:15,700 --> 00:49:12,950 know these are a bunch of dumb peasants 1046 00:49:19,030 --> 00:49:15,710 in the Soviet Union it made some people 1047 00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:19,040 happy to think that way and you know in 1048 00:49:23,050 --> 00:49:21,170 general Leslie groves who directed the 1049 00:49:28,690 --> 00:49:23,060 Manhattan Project to develop nuclear 1050 00:49:31,180 --> 00:49:28,700 weapons was asked in 1948 how long would 1051 00:49:32,980 --> 00:49:31,190 it be before the Russians were able to 1052 00:49:35,750 --> 00:49:32,990 build an atomic 1053 00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:35,760 and he pointed out that they had been 1054 00:49:39,860 --> 00:49:37,530 devastated by the war in a way the 1055 00:49:41,570 --> 00:49:39,870 United States hadn't been and you know 1056 00:49:43,190 --> 00:49:41,580 they had a lot of rebuilding to do and 1057 00:49:46,250 --> 00:49:43,200 all I'm sort of thinking it would 1058 00:49:53,810 --> 00:49:46,260 probably be at least eight years it took 1059 00:49:56,030 --> 00:49:53,820 one year they you know he underestimated 1060 00:49:58,460 --> 00:49:56,040 them make sure they had some spy input 1061 00:50:01,510 --> 00:49:58,470 I'm not putting that down I'm just 1062 00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:01,520 saying that it was a standard practice 1063 00:50:05,390 --> 00:50:03,810 as a matter of fact we didn't worry 1064 00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:05,400 about the Russians with atomic bombs 1065 00:50:11,110 --> 00:50:07,050 because they didn't have any means for 1066 00:50:15,530 --> 00:50:11,120 delivering them we thought we had b-29s 1067 00:50:17,810 --> 00:50:15,540 well two years later there was a big 1068 00:50:19,970 --> 00:50:17,820 parade in Moscow you know Mayday and all 1069 00:50:23,570 --> 00:50:19,980 that stuff and there was a whole bunch 1070 00:50:25,850 --> 00:50:23,580 of bigger planes and you know what they 1071 00:50:27,950 --> 00:50:25,860 had done we had left the b-29 over there 1072 00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:27,960 at Lund least aircraft and it was 1073 00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:31,770 damaged and they copied it built a bunch 1074 00:50:38,150 --> 00:50:36,690 of them we underestimated them and you 1075 00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:38,160 know what do we do we we didn't even 1076 00:50:41,720 --> 00:50:40,050 have a radar Network around the United 1077 00:50:44,180 --> 00:50:41,730 States what do we need one for there's 1078 00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:44,190 no no possibility the Russians are gonna 1079 00:50:52,820 --> 00:50:49,410 cross the ocean and bomb ice whoops well 1080 00:50:58,490 --> 00:50:52,830 I mentioned this because it doesn't pay 1081 00:51:00,590 --> 00:50:58,500 to underestimate your enemies moving 1082 00:51:03,530 --> 00:51:00,600 over a little bit 1083 00:51:05,930 --> 00:51:03,540 well touching on your nuclear physics 1084 00:51:08,870 --> 00:51:05,940 background and also a little bit on some 1085 00:51:11,780 --> 00:51:08,880 of the more recent news regarding the 1086 00:51:13,460 --> 00:51:11,790 many materials that the to the Stars 1087 00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:13,470 Academy folks have been talking about at 1088 00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:15,930 least a little bit I don't have a 1089 00:51:20,540 --> 00:51:18,330 physical science background but from 1090 00:51:25,370 --> 00:51:20,550 what I understand there there have been 1091 00:51:30,350 --> 00:51:25,380 a number of found at least claimed to be 1092 00:51:31,790 --> 00:51:30,360 a found items from UFOs and these have 1093 00:51:34,580 --> 00:51:31,800 been studied actually going back 1094 00:51:36,710 --> 00:51:34,590 sometime Peters storica professor for a 1095 00:51:38,570 --> 00:51:36,720 mus Stanford has been involved in this 1096 00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:38,580 jacques valet has been involved in this 1097 00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:41,610 more recently Gary Nolan from Stanford 1098 00:51:44,900 --> 00:51:43,890 has been involved with this at least to 1099 00:51:48,730 --> 00:51:44,910 some extent 1100 00:51:52,340 --> 00:51:48,740 and apparently the the thing that 1101 00:51:55,790 --> 00:51:52,350 baffles them that has really gotten 1102 00:51:59,840 --> 00:51:55,800 their attention is that these items 1103 00:52:02,180 --> 00:51:59,850 these objects still have all you know 1104 00:52:03,980 --> 00:52:02,190 they're they they're the same chemical 1105 00:52:06,020 --> 00:52:03,990 elements that that are found on earth 1106 00:52:07,790 --> 00:52:06,030 the same elements so either type to 1107 00:52:10,370 --> 00:52:07,800 learn more magnesium or whatever the 1108 00:52:13,310 --> 00:52:10,380 case may be but the differences that 1109 00:52:16,490 --> 00:52:13,320 really has these fellows baffle is the 1110 00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:16,500 differences in the isotopes that the 1111 00:52:22,820 --> 00:52:19,050 isotopes can isotopes can be different 1112 00:52:25,190 --> 00:52:22,830 and that is what's gotten them confused 1113 00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:25,200 the isotopic ratios and can you speak 1114 00:52:31,340 --> 00:52:28,170 and maybe give us a real quick and dirty 1115 00:52:34,970 --> 00:52:31,350 a tutorial on does that sound like it 1116 00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:34,980 makes some sense to you yes it does look 1117 00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:36,450 one of the biggest things about 1118 00:52:41,710 --> 00:52:38,970 developing the atomic bomb was that we 1119 00:52:44,900 --> 00:52:41,720 needed to have a lot of uranium-235 1120 00:52:46,060 --> 00:52:44,910 unfortunately it's only seven tenths of 1121 00:52:51,980 --> 00:52:46,070 one percent 1122 00:52:55,940 --> 00:52:51,990 we built a mile-long facility to run 1123 00:52:59,660 --> 00:52:55,950 loads of a uranium based gas through 1124 00:53:01,640 --> 00:52:59,670 that facility to separate the isotopes 1125 00:53:03,860 --> 00:53:01,650 because the lighter isotope will move a 1126 00:53:05,930 --> 00:53:03,870 little faster than the rest of its 238 1127 00:53:08,660 --> 00:53:05,940 so that doesn't move quite as fast and 1128 00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:08,670 we were using believe it or not in the 1129 00:53:14,690 --> 00:53:12,690 middle of the war 5% of all the 1130 00:53:17,870 --> 00:53:14,700 electricity being generated in the 1131 00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:17,880 United States to separate those isotopes 1132 00:53:25,190 --> 00:53:22,530 and sacred I might add in secret so 1133 00:53:27,290 --> 00:53:25,200 separating isotopes is an important 1134 00:53:29,780 --> 00:53:27,300 aspect and we've there's been an awful 1135 00:53:33,020 --> 00:53:29,790 lot of work going on and it's different 1136 00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:33,030 for different isotopes how you do it and 1137 00:53:42,100 --> 00:53:38,090 you know how much concentration you need 1138 00:53:44,870 --> 00:53:42,110 so it wouldn't be surprising to me that 1139 00:53:47,270 --> 00:53:44,880 somebody a little more advanced than we 1140 00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:47,280 are you know a thousand a million years 1141 00:53:53,720 --> 00:53:51,330 whatever knows how to do things that we 1142 00:53:57,500 --> 00:53:53,730 weren't yet able to do when we found 1143 00:53:57,809 --> 00:53:57,510 this out all right in other words this 1144 00:53:59,640 --> 00:53:57,819 guy 1145 00:54:02,009 --> 00:53:59,650 it comes from finding something where 1146 00:54:04,349 --> 00:54:02,019 you say chi how'd they do that let's see 1147 00:54:06,349 --> 00:54:04,359 what we can do and there are all kinds 1148 00:54:10,079 --> 00:54:06,359 of examples of that in the history of 1149 00:54:13,439 --> 00:54:10,089 development of science but it's one of 1150 00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:13,449 the things when we find a piece of 1151 00:54:19,289 --> 00:54:15,729 Russian equipment or German equipment 1152 00:54:22,309 --> 00:54:19,299 during the war we study it like crazy to 1153 00:54:25,140 --> 00:54:22,319 find out oh look what they're using here 1154 00:54:28,949 --> 00:54:25,150 why are they using this or that or the 1155 00:54:33,089 --> 00:54:28,959 other thing and you do your own work 1156 00:54:35,279 --> 00:54:33,099 so finding something different is one of 1157 00:54:38,759 --> 00:54:35,289 the goals when you're doing research on 1158 00:54:42,779 --> 00:54:38,769 new materials what's going on here why 1159 00:54:44,609 --> 00:54:42,789 did they put that in there oh but you 1160 00:54:47,839 --> 00:54:44,619 got to check you got to run a lot of 1161 00:54:53,219 --> 00:54:47,849 tests you got to be curious and 1162 00:54:56,039 --> 00:54:53,229 persistent and a lot of that well that 1163 00:54:58,349 --> 00:54:56,049 worked for the Air Force generally gets 1164 00:55:00,180 --> 00:54:58,359 done out of the foreign technology 1165 00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:00,190 division at wright-patterson Air Force 1166 00:55:07,289 --> 00:55:03,729 Base that's the way that a lot of that I 1167 00:55:09,739 --> 00:55:07,299 did my work was was for them but there 1168 00:55:12,390 --> 00:55:09,749 are a lot of places where that gets done 1169 00:55:15,479 --> 00:55:12,400 people don't realize how much classified 1170 00:55:17,309 --> 00:55:15,489 work goes on all right when I was 1171 00:55:18,989 --> 00:55:17,319 working and how big the budgets are when 1172 00:55:21,689 --> 00:55:18,999 I was working that general electric 1173 00:55:25,769 --> 00:55:21,699 aircraft nuclear propulsion Department 1174 00:55:29,689 --> 00:55:25,779 and people say why'd this is back 1175 00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:29,699 between 1956 and 59 in Cincinnati 1176 00:55:34,259 --> 00:55:31,930 general I think aircraft got their 1177 00:55:37,890 --> 00:55:34,269 propulsion I sort of set on the door the 1178 00:55:42,769 --> 00:55:37,900 data was classified and our budget in 1179 00:55:47,009 --> 00:55:42,779 1958 was one hundred million dollars 1180 00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:47,019 that was a lot of money in 1958 it's a 1181 00:55:52,829 --> 00:55:50,410 lot of money now but we employed 3400 1182 00:55:55,380 --> 00:55:52,839 people of whom 1,100 were engineers and 1183 00:55:57,839 --> 00:55:55,390 scientists that's one company on one 1184 00:55:59,579 --> 00:55:57,849 project there were lots of projects and 1185 00:56:02,009 --> 00:55:59,589 we never flew a nuclear-powered airplane 1186 00:56:06,529 --> 00:56:02,019 we did operate two engines on nuclear 1187 00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:06,539 power but just you know people forget 1188 00:56:11,150 --> 00:56:09,249 little clear Navy we have submarines 1189 00:56:13,580 --> 00:56:11,160 that can go around the world under 1190 00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:13,590 water in World War 2 a submarine could 1191 00:56:18,860 --> 00:56:17,010 stay underwater for it 24 hours now that 1192 00:56:21,350 --> 00:56:18,870 go around the world we have aircraft 1193 00:56:25,900 --> 00:56:21,360 carriers nuclear-powered that can 1194 00:56:28,100 --> 00:56:25,910 operate for 18 years without refueling 1195 00:56:30,410 --> 00:56:28,110 think about that for a minute if you're 1196 00:56:34,910 --> 00:56:30,420 a ship captain you mean I don't need to 1197 00:56:37,730 --> 00:56:34,920 go to the gas station well it makes a 1198 00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:37,740 little difference in the world and being 1199 00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:40,410 able to accomplish your mission if you 1200 00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:42,090 don't need to worry about finding a 1201 00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:45,210 tanker the oceans are big you know and 1202 00:56:52,130 --> 00:56:49,410 so many people just aren't aware how big 1203 00:56:54,950 --> 00:56:52,140 the developments have been and how much 1204 00:56:57,020 --> 00:56:54,960 money was spent to get there it's not 1205 00:56:59,810 --> 00:56:57,030 just us the Russians - as I said the 1206 00:57:04,730 --> 00:56:59,820 Russians operated 30-some reactors in 1207 00:57:06,530 --> 00:57:04,740 space we operated one but you don't hear 1208 00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:06,540 anybody talking to the American people 1209 00:57:11,270 --> 00:57:09,690 oh you got to learn some more folks yeah 1210 00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:11,280 you do got it 1211 00:57:17,060 --> 00:57:14,490 jumping back to Roswell like with a lot 1212 00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:17,070 of other UFO cases that come out a lot 1213 00:57:22,340 --> 00:57:19,290 of the additional claims have come out 1214 00:57:25,750 --> 00:57:22,350 over the years bodies were found as part 1215 00:57:28,340 --> 00:57:25,760 of the crash I'm going apart from where 1216 00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:28,350 Marcel found some debris and brought or 1217 00:57:34,660 --> 00:57:32,250 went out to the Brazel location and that 1218 00:57:39,010 --> 00:57:34,670 brought some additional debris back in 1219 00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:39,020 bodies perhaps one of them surviving 1220 00:57:43,010 --> 00:57:41,010 communicating with the military that 1221 00:57:44,750 --> 00:57:43,020 type of thing anything that you've been 1222 00:57:48,380 --> 00:57:44,760 able to turn up that would lend credence 1223 00:57:49,910 --> 00:57:48,390 to those types of claims well I have see 1224 00:57:52,610 --> 00:57:49,920 no reason not to believe them when I 1225 00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:52,620 look at the people I heard them from and 1226 00:57:58,190 --> 00:57:55,050 Jesse didn't say he saw bodies he said 1227 00:57:59,750 --> 00:57:58,200 bodies were found okay it wouldn't be 1228 00:58:05,360 --> 00:57:59,760 surprising if there was a crew 1229 00:58:10,790 --> 00:58:05,370 compartment plenty of other reports from 1230 00:58:13,970 --> 00:58:10,800 witnesses and what can I say there are 1231 00:58:15,170 --> 00:58:13,980 operators for the ships and you think 1232 00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:15,180 they're going to go public with them 1233 00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:16,650 bring them out for the New York Times to 1234 00:58:24,950 --> 00:58:22,410 take pictures the kicker here that when 1235 00:58:28,700 --> 00:58:24,960 you find something like an alien 1236 00:58:31,250 --> 00:58:28,710 spacecraft you're not about to go public 1237 00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:31,260 with oh yeah here's a materials we found 1238 00:58:34,940 --> 00:58:33,570 and look look what they did something 1239 00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:34,950 different and look at the bodies we 1240 00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:37,170 found we're talking what's important 1241 00:58:42,650 --> 00:58:40,290 about Roswell isn't just advanced 1242 00:58:44,810 --> 00:58:42,660 technology but it's proof positive that 1243 00:58:47,900 --> 00:58:44,820 aliens are visited that they're more 1244 00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:47,910 advanced than we are and let's face it 1245 00:58:51,710 --> 00:58:49,650 we don't want to share what we learn 1246 00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:51,720 about these alien spacecraft with the 1247 00:58:56,750 --> 00:58:55,050 Russians or anybody else do we we're not 1248 00:58:59,810 --> 00:58:56,760 going to if they have what they have 1249 00:59:02,300 --> 00:58:59,820 learned from crash is over there with 1250 00:59:03,890 --> 00:59:02,310 what we have learned they may be able to 1251 00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:03,900 get there quicker in terms of 1252 00:59:09,079 --> 00:59:06,930 duplication and you know people think oh 1253 00:59:12,050 --> 00:59:09,089 you got one now you can build one that's 1254 00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:12,060 nonsense all kinds of things if you 1255 00:59:18,260 --> 00:59:16,050 tried to well a ten-dollar transistor 1256 00:59:20,570 --> 00:59:18,270 radio give that to the smartest person 1257 00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:20,580 on the planet in 1935 could he have 1258 00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:22,290 built one not a chance 1259 00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:24,810 he couldn't analyze the chips and he 1260 00:59:31,310 --> 00:59:28,170 certainly couldn't duplicate them so 1261 00:59:34,609 --> 00:59:31,320 there are huge steps that need to be 1262 00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:34,619 taken that are very expensive and that 1263 00:59:39,470 --> 00:59:37,410 you want to protect the integrity of the 1264 00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:39,480 knowledge you learn from your possible 1265 00:59:44,270 --> 00:59:42,450 enemies because if they get what you 1266 00:59:46,450 --> 00:59:44,280 have with what they have they may beat 1267 00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:46,460 you to the punch and you don't want that 1268 00:59:52,010 --> 00:59:49,290 all right the whole point of all this 1269 00:59:55,940 --> 00:59:52,020 stuff is technology to be used in war 1270 00:59:58,670 --> 00:59:55,950 isn't it I mean isn't that what it's all 1271 01:00:00,589 --> 00:59:58,680 about it at least on the military and 1272 01:00:02,660 --> 01:00:00,599 absolutely although I got to think that 1273 01:00:05,359 --> 01:00:02,670 you know there there have got to be 1274 01:00:07,820 --> 01:00:05,369 plenty of positive civilian uses for a 1275 01:00:10,690 --> 01:00:07,830 lot of this material too but getting 1276 01:00:12,829 --> 01:00:10,700 back to finding an advanced alien craft 1277 01:00:14,780 --> 01:00:12,839 yeah you wouldn't be able to figure out 1278 01:00:17,210 --> 01:00:14,790 the avionics right away yeah you 1279 01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:17,220 wouldn't be able to duplicate the 1280 01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:19,170 propulsion right away but you could 1281 01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:20,970 figure out what the structural metal 1282 01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:24,410 alloys were made of now you can probably 1283 01:00:29,359 --> 01:00:27,570 what you could make figure out what 1284 01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:29,369 they're made of that doesn't mean you 1285 01:00:34,820 --> 01:00:32,250 can duplicate them there's all kinds of 1286 01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:34,830 process that go into making advanced 1287 01:00:42,620 --> 01:00:38,370 materials if you look at jet engine 1288 01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:42,630 and Blaine's for example today those 1289 01:00:48,350 --> 01:00:47,010 materials are really exotic in terms of 1290 01:00:51,380 --> 01:00:48,360 their characteristics at high 1291 01:00:52,730 --> 01:00:51,390 temperature and pressure and there was 1292 01:00:56,210 --> 01:00:52,740 nobody in the world who could build 1293 01:00:59,210 --> 01:00:56,220 those back you know go back enough years 1294 01:01:01,280 --> 01:00:59,220 it takes a while to get to that point 1295 01:01:04,430 --> 01:01:01,290 advanced technology it doesn't come 1296 01:01:06,290 --> 01:01:04,440 cheap and it doesn't come rapidly you 1297 01:01:10,210 --> 01:01:06,300 can see that in all directions around I 1298 01:01:13,970 --> 01:01:10,220 mean if I told you that Moore's Law 1299 01:01:15,650 --> 01:01:13,980 Moore was a physicist who found it's 1300 01:01:18,980 --> 01:01:15,660 called as law because what he discovered 1301 01:01:21,650 --> 01:01:18,990 was that the number of transistors you 1302 01:01:24,500 --> 01:01:21,660 can put on the chip doubles about every 1303 01:01:26,930 --> 01:01:24,510 year or two that doesn't sound like much 1304 01:01:28,850 --> 01:01:26,940 until you say them oh you mean after 10 1305 01:01:33,230 --> 01:01:28,860 years you got 2 times 2 times 2 times 1306 01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:33,240 you know right Wow and that doesn't come 1307 01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:37,050 easy and you don't publicize how you do 1308 01:01:42,340 --> 01:01:40,410 it because you've got competitors out 1309 01:01:44,990 --> 01:01:42,350 there and you've got enemies out there 1310 01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:45,000 so there's all kinds of work going on 1311 01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:48,930 and as I say this work isn't cheap and 1312 01:01:54,500 --> 01:01:52,770 it isn't fast and you got to be 1313 01:01:58,910 --> 01:01:54,510 persistent somebody's got to pay the 1314 01:02:01,100 --> 01:01:58,920 freight I was in that business and it be 1315 01:02:03,340 --> 01:02:01,110 amazed that the National Laboratories 1316 01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:03,350 I've been the ocher inch in Los Alamos 1317 01:02:10,370 --> 01:02:08,370 and several other places and all kinds 1318 01:02:15,650 --> 01:02:10,380 of great work going on and secret at 1319 01:02:17,900 --> 01:02:15,660 these places but it takes money and at 1320 01:02:19,430 --> 01:02:17,910 least if it's a straight private sector 1321 01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:19,440 initiative they've got to see some 1322 01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:26,370 profit in it too yeah I'd like to be 1323 01:02:31,220 --> 01:02:28,170 able to build more stuff like this now 1324 01:02:32,900 --> 01:02:31,230 remember there's a cross factor if 1325 01:02:34,490 --> 01:02:32,910 you're building jet engine turbine 1326 01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:34,500 blades you really don't care how much 1327 01:02:39,140 --> 01:02:37,530 they cost if you can build a plane 1328 01:02:41,630 --> 01:02:39,150 that'll or an engine that's more 1329 01:02:44,060 --> 01:02:41,640 powerful than the other guys and can 1330 01:02:46,790 --> 01:02:44,070 allow you to go 50 percent faster than 1331 01:02:49,860 --> 01:02:46,800 the other guy that's worth enormous 1332 01:02:51,150 --> 01:02:49,870 amount of time money effort 1333 01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:51,160 you know we're not talking about it as a 1334 01:02:59,310 --> 01:02:55,210 2% improvement the real world out there 1335 01:03:01,950 --> 01:02:59,320 is a strange place circling back to 1336 01:03:04,980 --> 01:03:01,960 Roswell by most accounts said the ship 1337 01:03:06,390 --> 01:03:04,990 itself was wouldn't be described as a 1338 01:03:07,590 --> 01:03:06,400 mothership by any stretch of the 1339 01:03:10,230 --> 01:03:07,600 imagination no 1340 01:03:13,970 --> 01:03:10,240 any thoughts on your part as to whether 1341 01:03:16,290 --> 01:03:13,980 these types of relatively small ships 1342 01:03:19,860 --> 01:03:16,300 considering a the distances need to be 1343 01:03:22,650 --> 01:03:19,870 covered are they coming each individual 1344 01:03:25,470 --> 01:03:22,660 time directly from another star system 1345 01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:25,480 or you think they have relatively close 1346 01:03:32,100 --> 01:03:30,610 by bases mother my mother ships in there 1347 01:03:34,830 --> 01:03:32,110 they're sort of in the neighborhood and 1348 01:03:36,870 --> 01:03:34,840 then they drop essentially a little 1349 01:03:40,620 --> 01:03:36,880 Scout ships out of them that's your 1350 01:03:42,750 --> 01:03:40,630 theory well or a dozen of them yeah look 1351 01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:42,760 we have aircraft carriers that can 1352 01:03:47,850 --> 01:03:45,010 operate as I said for 18 years without 1353 01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:47,860 refueling they carry about 75 little 1354 01:03:51,780 --> 01:03:49,690 airplanes I can operate for two hours 1355 01:03:54,150 --> 01:03:51,790 without refueling they don't work the 1356 01:03:56,670 --> 01:03:54,160 same way in other words getting here 1357 01:03:59,520 --> 01:03:56,680 from another star is an entirely 1358 01:04:01,200 --> 01:03:59,530 different problem then once you're in 1359 01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:01,210 the atmosphere is zipping around in the 1360 01:04:05,670 --> 01:04:03,850 atmosphere we've got air to create drag 1361 01:04:08,970 --> 01:04:05,680 and heating and all that sort of thing 1362 01:04:11,550 --> 01:04:08,980 they're two different problems okay and 1363 01:04:16,130 --> 01:04:11,560 so we got mother ships and we got earth 1364 01:04:19,830 --> 01:04:16,140 excursion modules as I prefer to call em 1365 01:04:21,390 --> 01:04:19,840 and it makes sense is what I'm saying 1366 01:04:24,390 --> 01:04:21,400 there's nothing surprising about that 1367 01:04:26,460 --> 01:04:24,400 okay not much going on between the stars 1368 01:04:28,170 --> 01:04:26,470 but when you're in the atmosphere and 1369 01:04:31,350 --> 01:04:28,180 you got to worry about heating and drag 1370 01:04:32,790 --> 01:04:31,360 and radar profile and plasmas and all 1371 01:04:38,820 --> 01:04:32,800 kinds of stuff that's another ballgame 1372 01:04:40,170 --> 01:04:38,830 and incidentally way back in 1919 62 1373 01:04:43,140 --> 01:04:40,180 makes me feel old 1374 01:04:46,770 --> 01:04:43,150 worked on fusion propulsion systems for 1375 01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:46,780 deep space travel and a conversion of 1376 01:04:50,340 --> 01:04:48,730 our study which was headed by the guy 1377 01:04:52,140 --> 01:04:50,350 who had headed the fusion research at 1378 01:04:55,170 --> 01:04:52,150 Oak Ridge National Laboratory John Lewis 1379 01:04:59,640 --> 01:04:55,180 brilliant man I'm probably smartest guy 1380 01:05:02,220 --> 01:04:59,650 I ever worked for the conclusion of our 1381 01:05:03,180 --> 01:05:02,230 study we only spent nine million dollars 1382 01:05:06,510 --> 01:05:03,190 on the study 1383 01:05:09,359 --> 01:05:06,520 you couldn't build anything was that if 1384 01:05:14,910 --> 01:05:09,369 you want to go oh it takes us dough a 1385 01:05:17,190 --> 01:05:14,920 lot of it well I mean that's the thing 1386 01:05:19,290 --> 01:05:17,200 you have to be concerned about it's not 1387 01:05:22,170 --> 01:05:19,300 six professors sitting around the table 1388 01:05:25,950 --> 01:05:22,180 with eight grad students oh I'll get 1389 01:05:30,690 --> 01:05:25,960 this done next month guys I like I said 1390 01:05:33,980 --> 01:05:30,700 that Gea NP we employed 3,500 people of 1391 01:05:36,390 --> 01:05:33,990 whom 1,100 or engineers and scientists 1392 01:05:38,569 --> 01:05:36,400 and spent a hundred million dollars in 1393 01:05:43,349 --> 01:05:38,579 one year in 1958 1394 01:05:45,180 --> 01:05:43,359 so it you need some idea of the scope of 1395 01:05:45,900 --> 01:05:45,190 the project there's one thing to say can 1396 01:05:48,750 --> 01:05:45,910 you do it 1397 01:05:50,599 --> 01:05:48,760 another is uh how much the kind of cost 1398 01:05:54,750 --> 01:05:50,609 and how many people are gonna need 1399 01:05:57,990 --> 01:05:54,760 that's a different sort of question got 1400 01:06:01,589 --> 01:05:58,000 it okay James ever and he follow-ups for 1401 01:06:03,780 --> 01:06:01,599 mr. Friedman oh yeah I just want to make 1402 01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:03,790 a small comment on the metamaterials I'm 1403 01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:06,730 also aside from some of the stuff that 1404 01:06:15,150 --> 01:06:10,650 was mentioned by Jacques belay that 1405 01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:15,160 it seemed that you know Jeremy corbels 1406 01:06:23,460 --> 01:06:19,210 alluding to the idea that the patients 1407 01:06:25,410 --> 01:06:23,470 that Roger Leir were working with and in 1408 01:06:27,540 --> 01:06:25,420 his movie that he put our patients 1409 01:06:35,180 --> 01:06:27,550 seventeen that those implants were also 1410 01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:35,190 had the elements in the in the alleged 1411 01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:37,210 implants from these people who were 1412 01:06:43,559 --> 01:06:39,970 claiming abduction were had had these 1413 01:06:45,210 --> 01:06:43,569 anomalous isotopes so that I just wanted 1414 01:06:48,990 --> 01:06:45,220 to add that comment in there and and 1415 01:06:50,849 --> 01:06:49,000 also in his upcoming film hunt for the 1416 01:06:54,059 --> 01:06:50,859 skinwalker about skinwalker ranch I 1417 01:06:55,380 --> 01:06:54,069 think he also alluded to that some meta 1418 01:07:00,079 --> 01:06:55,390 materials might have been recovered 1419 01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:00,089 around there but getting back to the the 1420 01:07:05,250 --> 01:07:03,490 extra-terrestrial hypothesis you know I 1421 01:07:07,710 --> 01:07:05,260 know stand that you were very strong 1422 01:07:10,130 --> 01:07:07,720 about that idea that these are learn 1423 01:07:13,410 --> 01:07:10,140 fact aliens and extraterrestrials and 1424 01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:13,420 and you know possibly other things but 1425 01:07:16,950 --> 01:07:15,010 for certain that there are is the 1426 01:07:21,050 --> 01:07:16,960 extraterrestrial element would you 1427 01:07:23,970 --> 01:07:21,060 think that there are there purposes here 1428 01:07:27,450 --> 01:07:23,980 one of my papers that I think I listed 1429 01:07:30,810 --> 01:07:27,460 20 reasons for coming here one of those 1430 01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:30,820 is to keep us from going out there we're 1431 01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:33,130 a primitive society whose major activity 1432 01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:36,490 is tribal warfare we are a threat to the 1433 01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:39,010 neighborhood sit back a little bit 1434 01:07:44,220 --> 01:07:42,010 we have exploded 2000 nuclear weapons 1435 01:07:46,260 --> 01:07:44,230 once you've figured out fishing in 1436 01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:46,270 fusion you can go to bother your 1437 01:07:55,530 --> 01:07:50,290 neighbors look at the progression it's a 1438 01:07:58,680 --> 01:07:55,540 huge progression a big bomb in 1944 was 1439 01:08:01,079 --> 01:07:58,690 a 10 ton blockbuster Wow release the 1440 01:08:03,290 --> 01:08:01,089 energy of 10 tons of dynamite one bomb 1441 01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:03,300 and it took a bigger plane to carry it 1442 01:08:13,260 --> 01:08:08,890 1945 first fishing atomic bomb released 1443 01:08:16,440 --> 01:08:13,270 the energy of 15,000 tons of dynamite so 1444 01:08:21,420 --> 01:08:16,450 you go from 10 to 15,000 our first 1445 01:08:25,979 --> 01:08:21,430 h-bomb of fusion device 1952 first a 1446 01:08:30,510 --> 01:08:25,989 bomb is 45 1952 our first fusion device 1447 01:08:35,099 --> 01:08:30,520 released the energy of 10 million tons 1448 01:08:41,670 --> 01:08:35,109 of dynamite one stinkin weapon and the 1449 01:08:45,599 --> 01:08:41,680 Russians in about 1960 or so set off 1450 01:08:51,390 --> 01:08:45,609 I don't know Alice if it exploded Tsar 1451 01:08:53,900 --> 01:08:51,400 Bomba 50 million tons of TNT that's how 1452 01:08:57,959 --> 01:08:53,910 much energy was released with that one 1453 01:09:00,360 --> 01:08:57,969 weapon and you see as soon as you get to 1454 01:09:03,360 --> 01:09:00,370 talking about that kinds of energy then 1455 01:09:03,990 --> 01:09:03,370 the stars are within reached the same is 1456 01:09:06,030 --> 01:09:04,000 cheap 1457 01:09:09,019 --> 01:09:06,040 you don't go down to the Walmarts and 1458 01:09:12,749 --> 01:09:09,029 yeah I need to fusion devices please 1459 01:09:15,570 --> 01:09:12,759 but it becomes feasible and then we 1460 01:09:17,490 --> 01:09:15,580 haven't been at it that long so 1461 01:09:19,620 --> 01:09:17,500 everybody out there knows these idiots 1462 01:09:23,490 --> 01:09:19,630 on earth or a threat to the neighborhood 1463 01:09:28,380 --> 01:09:23,500 I say threat I don't like the idea we 1464 01:09:30,390 --> 01:09:28,390 Earthlings killed 250 million people in 1465 01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:30,400 World War 2 1466 01:09:37,270 --> 01:09:35,810 50 million people we're not nice guys so 1467 01:09:39,220 --> 01:09:37,280 that's the first thing they want to keep 1468 01:09:41,260 --> 01:09:39,230 us from going out there secondly they 1469 01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:41,270 want to know how rapidly we are 1470 01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:43,610 advancing third they want to know if 1471 01:09:46,450 --> 01:09:44,810 there are goodies here that they can 1472 01:09:50,140 --> 01:09:46,460 steal from here that are depleted 1473 01:09:51,790 --> 01:09:50,150 elsewhere you know it's not just uranium 1474 01:09:55,270 --> 01:09:51,800 that's interesting you know that was 1475 01:09:57,070 --> 01:09:55,280 used as a coloring agent back under tear 1476 01:09:58,780 --> 01:09:57,080 sicko certainly had nothing to do with 1477 01:10:05,710 --> 01:09:58,790 atomic energy we didn't know anything 1478 01:10:09,900 --> 01:10:05,720 about it sonic energy so the earth maybe 1479 01:10:13,150 --> 01:10:09,910 somebody's colony maybe somebody's crop 1480 01:10:14,590 --> 01:10:13,160 we may have been planted here yeah penal 1481 01:10:18,370 --> 01:10:14,600 colony you know they dumped all the bad 1482 01:10:20,380 --> 01:10:18,380 boys and grocery that's why we but you 1483 01:10:23,290 --> 01:10:20,390 know you don't have to look for to find 1484 01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:23,300 reasons why anybody would want to come 1485 01:10:26,650 --> 01:10:24,890 here graduate students doing your thesis 1486 01:10:30,480 --> 01:10:26,660 research on the development of a 1487 01:10:34,330 --> 01:10:30,490 primitive society and we are a primitive 1488 01:10:36,940 --> 01:10:34,340 Society finding out if we've learned any 1489 01:10:39,730 --> 01:10:36,950 they're looking for certain kinds of DNA 1490 01:10:44,290 --> 01:10:39,740 pick up a thousand specimens and maybe 1491 01:10:46,210 --> 01:10:44,300 to have oh look what we found and I say 1492 01:10:49,210 --> 01:10:46,220 that because we know that we're often 1493 01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:49,220 looking for the unusual the small 1494 01:10:56,170 --> 01:10:52,970 percentage of what is that and what does 1495 01:11:01,720 --> 01:10:56,180 it do when we put it into some other 1496 01:11:05,260 --> 01:11:01,730 material so I think they may be checking 1497 01:11:07,300 --> 01:11:05,270 on their own colonies of course and 1498 01:11:10,540 --> 01:11:07,310 they're getting ready to work a deal or 1499 01:11:12,160 --> 01:11:10,550 their you know aliens are buying with 1500 01:11:17,490 --> 01:11:12,170 each other how can we get these idiots 1501 01:11:20,110 --> 01:11:17,500 on our side we need a bad side 1502 01:11:22,480 --> 01:11:20,120 look look at all the reasons the guys 1503 01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:22,490 across the ocean back a few hundred 1504 01:11:28,570 --> 01:11:24,530 years ago yeah why don't we looking for 1505 01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:28,580 gold so we're looking for slaves you 1506 01:11:32,110 --> 01:11:29,690 know and there are plenty of other 1507 01:11:37,420 --> 01:11:32,120 things potatoes came out of the New 1508 01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:37,430 World and they well you know potatoes 1509 01:11:51,860 --> 01:11:48,200 now doubling back here on the some of 1510 01:11:53,590 --> 01:11:51,870 the recent news it seems that pretty 1511 01:11:56,750 --> 01:11:53,600 clear that even though they keep 1512 01:11:58,970 --> 01:11:56,760 generally a pretty low profile there are 1513 01:12:01,310 --> 01:11:58,980 a fair number of a scientists working 1514 01:12:03,140 --> 01:12:01,320 scientists who are interested in this 1515 01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:03,150 subject and they have done a few things 1516 01:12:08,420 --> 01:12:06,810 in the field Jacques Vallee wrote a book 1517 01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:08,430 a few years ago called the invisible 1518 01:12:14,690 --> 01:12:12,330 college and basically there are these 1519 01:12:17,030 --> 01:12:14,700 guys who for years even though they like 1520 01:12:20,420 --> 01:12:17,040 I said they do keep a low profile who 1521 01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:20,430 have had some interest on at least some 1522 01:12:23,930 --> 01:12:22,530 research on the subject have you ever 1523 01:12:27,050 --> 01:12:23,940 been in contact with any of those 1524 01:12:29,210 --> 01:12:27,060 fellows do you have a list of guys who 1525 01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:29,220 say yes that keep my name out of this 1526 01:12:31,880 --> 01:12:30,930 but I've got something for you or 1527 01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:31,890 vice-versa 1528 01:12:38,210 --> 01:12:35,370 well that occasionally happens remember 1529 01:12:42,020 --> 01:12:38,220 I worked under security for 14 years 1530 01:12:45,590 --> 01:12:42,030 jock didn't so I had some insiders 1531 01:12:48,740 --> 01:12:45,600 situations and at four or five different 1532 01:12:50,060 --> 01:12:48,750 companies not exactly proud of that but 1533 01:12:56,510 --> 01:12:50,070 at least I was able to get a job when 1534 01:12:57,920 --> 01:12:56,520 the program ended so yeah we talk to 1535 01:13:00,620 --> 01:12:57,930 each other there are different 1536 01:13:04,010 --> 01:13:00,630 backgrounds different people and not 1537 01:13:05,780 --> 01:13:04,020 many of them around I do one of the 1538 01:13:07,700 --> 01:13:05,790 people I respect the most is dr. Bruce 1539 01:13:10,100 --> 01:13:07,710 Maccabee for example an optical 1540 01:13:11,860 --> 01:13:10,110 physicist who worked at Navy research 1541 01:13:15,850 --> 01:13:11,870 lab for over 30 years 1542 01:13:18,590 --> 01:13:15,860 under security and he sent some 1543 01:13:20,950 --> 01:13:18,600 interesting work on electromagnetic 1544 01:13:23,690 --> 01:13:20,960 effects and all that sort of stuff I 1545 01:13:28,460 --> 01:13:23,700 there aren't too many like that that we 1546 01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:28,470 know about but these guys come out from 1547 01:13:33,620 --> 01:13:31,530 under Bruce's uh dr. Maccabees pretty 1548 01:13:35,570 --> 01:13:33,630 upfront and he's a very public about his 1549 01:13:39,320 --> 01:13:35,580 interest but it does seem like they're 1550 01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:39,330 at least a few others that have kept 1551 01:13:43,730 --> 01:13:41,610 that low profile they pretty much 1552 01:13:45,500 --> 01:13:43,740 under the radar but they have been 1553 01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:45,510 helpful at times at least in your case 1554 01:13:49,810 --> 01:13:48,090 yeah I'd say so and it's good to have 1555 01:13:53,180 --> 01:13:49,820 somebody to talk to 1556 01:13:57,670 --> 01:13:53,190 look the boundaries between classified 1557 01:14:04,100 --> 01:14:01,280 Mattel me all this guy well day 12 I've 1558 01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:04,110 written a whole book on top-secret magic 1559 01:14:08,660 --> 01:14:06,810 Maj I see about these this group set up 1560 01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:08,670 by prison and crewmen and some people 1561 01:14:17,180 --> 01:14:12,330 you know that that's all phony it isn't 1562 01:14:18,830 --> 01:14:17,190 phony they see those guys would have 1563 01:14:20,750 --> 01:14:18,840 told their wives what they were doing of 1564 01:14:21,980 --> 01:14:20,760 course they wouldn't no they wouldn't 1565 01:14:23,240 --> 01:14:21,990 have done that I've talked to enough 1566 01:14:25,460 --> 01:14:23,250 people who've confirmed that 1567 01:14:27,680 --> 01:14:25,470 yeah I mean I I never told my wife 1568 01:14:29,090 --> 01:14:27,690 anything classified we breaking the law 1569 01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:29,100 for one thing she doesn't have a 1570 01:14:34,280 --> 01:14:31,890 clearance or I need to know those are 1571 01:14:38,240 --> 01:14:34,290 the two vital parts curiosity isn't 1572 01:14:39,500 --> 01:14:38,250 enough a lot of people think well surely 1573 01:14:46,490 --> 01:14:39,510 they would have told this guy or that 1574 01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:46,500 guy that's not how the system works I've 1575 01:14:52,550 --> 01:14:49,890 got one final question on my end I I do 1576 01:14:54,830 --> 01:14:52,560 follow the the seti type research the 1577 01:14:56,570 --> 01:14:54,840 exoplanet hunters and all that and the 1578 01:14:58,760 --> 01:14:56,580 one guy whose name comes up on a pretty 1579 01:15:02,120 --> 01:14:58,770 regular basis a fellow named Abraham 1580 01:15:04,550 --> 01:15:02,130 Loeb out of Harvard and he had written a 1581 01:15:05,750 --> 01:15:04,560 rather interesting article I thought it 1582 01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:05,760 was interesting because I thought I had 1583 01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:08,130 a direct connection with UFOs where he 1584 01:15:13,280 --> 01:15:10,410 was talking about this this exoplanet 1585 01:15:16,430 --> 01:15:13,290 study is going to be a little tricky for 1586 01:15:19,390 --> 01:15:16,440 the simple reason that there really is 1587 01:15:21,290 --> 01:15:19,400 never going to be an exoplanet a 1588 01:15:25,210 --> 01:15:21,300 discipline that it's going to take 1589 01:15:28,070 --> 01:15:25,220 multiple disciplines chemists physicists 1590 01:15:30,200 --> 01:15:28,080 all manner of different scientists to 1591 01:15:32,930 --> 01:15:30,210 really get a good grip on this subject 1592 01:15:34,820 --> 01:15:32,940 and I see the same sort of thing in the 1593 01:15:36,230 --> 01:15:34,830 UFO research field you've got somebody 1594 01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:36,240 like you coming from a physics 1595 01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:38,010 background well that's and you've made 1596 01:15:41,420 --> 01:15:39,930 your contributions that's great but I 1597 01:15:43,220 --> 01:15:41,430 want to contribute to I'm not a 1598 01:15:44,660 --> 01:15:43,230 physicist but I'd like to think that 1599 01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:44,670 I've turned up a few things here and 1600 01:15:49,610 --> 01:15:47,370 there that are interesting and I've 1601 01:15:52,130 --> 01:15:49,620 helped in my own way James helps in his 1602 01:15:54,440 --> 01:15:52,140 own way lots of people come to the field 1603 01:15:57,020 --> 01:15:54,450 from different backgrounds have skill 1604 01:16:00,560 --> 01:15:57,030 sets knowledge bases that can help out 1605 01:16:02,839 --> 01:16:00,570 to some extent and if you could 1606 01:16:05,660 --> 01:16:02,849 send us off you know you said you're 1607 01:16:07,399 --> 01:16:05,670 wrapping things up give us all a good 1608 01:16:10,939 --> 01:16:07,409 pep talk about what we can do with this 1609 01:16:12,740 --> 01:16:10,949 very exciting field going forward well a 1610 01:16:15,740 --> 01:16:12,750 lot of things we can do one of them is 1611 01:16:20,689 --> 01:16:15,750 to develop new technology to is to 1612 01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:20,699 recognize openly many people recognize 1613 01:16:24,770 --> 01:16:23,250 it but not openly that indeed the planet 1614 01:16:26,509 --> 01:16:24,780 is being visited and that has some 1615 01:16:28,459 --> 01:16:26,519 implications what do they know that we 1616 01:16:29,959 --> 01:16:28,469 don't know whether the government's know 1617 01:16:32,540 --> 01:16:29,969 that we don't know what are these guys 1618 01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:32,550 intend here they're going to gather data 1619 01:16:37,189 --> 01:16:34,530 and say the heck with these idiots and 1620 01:16:39,109 --> 01:16:37,199 wipe us out who knows what their 1621 01:16:41,950 --> 01:16:39,119 intentions are I don't certainly don't 1622 01:16:46,060 --> 01:16:41,960 know I think these are areas of 1623 01:16:48,140 --> 01:16:46,070 considerable interest but remembered 1624 01:16:50,089 --> 01:16:48,150 governments don't want to tell anybody 1625 01:16:52,609 --> 01:16:50,099 else anything new that they've learned 1626 01:16:56,450 --> 01:16:52,619 because it has potential implications 1627 01:16:58,790 --> 01:16:56,460 for national security to say that you've 1628 01:17:01,750 --> 01:16:58,800 just found a new material that'll do a V 1629 01:17:04,209 --> 01:17:01,760 and C you don't put that out in the open 1630 01:17:07,220 --> 01:17:04,219 because of the potential military 1631 01:17:09,620 --> 01:17:07,230 applications and the military budget on 1632 01:17:13,129 --> 01:17:09,630 the planet is about a trillion dollars 1633 01:17:15,830 --> 01:17:13,139 this year that's a crime as far as I'm 1634 01:17:20,810 --> 01:17:15,840 concerned I got plenty of starving kids 1635 01:17:24,799 --> 01:17:20,820 we should feed them so you know we live 1636 01:17:26,660 --> 01:17:24,809 in a peculiar world one of their I don't 1637 01:17:29,060 --> 01:17:26,670 know what the last count is 190 1638 01:17:32,540 --> 01:17:29,070 different countries we don't have an 1639 01:17:36,919 --> 01:17:32,550 Earthling Society we have a whole bunch 1640 01:17:39,080 --> 01:17:36,929 of different nationalistic groups so we 1641 01:17:40,790 --> 01:17:39,090 got a lot to learn and I'm sure one of 1642 01:17:42,799 --> 01:17:40,800 the groups coming here must be 1643 01:17:45,049 --> 01:17:42,809 historians trying to figure out of these 1644 01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:45,059 idiots keep up this crazy approach they 1645 01:17:49,580 --> 01:17:47,610 live on a small planet got all kinds of 1646 01:17:50,990 --> 01:17:49,590 goodies and they're keeping a secret 1647 01:17:52,759 --> 01:17:51,000 from each other and they're all working 1648 01:17:56,240 --> 01:17:52,769 separately in their big klinger's 1649 01:18:03,109 --> 01:17:56,250 military these guys you're nuts that's 1650 01:18:04,490 --> 01:18:03,119 why I say this was a penal colony in 1651 01:18:07,399 --> 01:18:04,500 other words when you stand back and look 1652 01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:07,409 at this thing it's a there are a lot of 1653 01:18:13,430 --> 01:18:09,690 aspects that are very interesting and 1654 01:18:14,180 --> 01:18:13,440 very indicative of how little effort we 1655 01:18:17,150 --> 01:18:14,190 make 1656 01:18:19,130 --> 01:18:17,160 to act as people on a planet I'm an 1657 01:18:25,550 --> 01:18:19,140 earthling and you're in earthling I 1658 01:18:29,959 --> 01:18:25,560 think farsighted but you see my point 1659 01:18:33,410 --> 01:18:29,969 yeah that we're separated society we're 1660 01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:33,420 not a together society it's expensive 1661 01:18:38,090 --> 01:18:36,330 yeah just just as a little aside I've 1662 01:18:39,290 --> 01:18:38,100 sometimes I can be a bit of a date at 1663 01:18:41,660 --> 01:18:39,300 night I don't know if you're familiar 1664 01:18:44,540 --> 01:18:41,670 with this or not but there the UN does a 1665 01:18:47,420 --> 01:18:44,550 study roughly every year where they pull 1666 01:18:50,330 --> 01:18:47,430 people in every country they can and 1667 01:18:51,530 --> 01:18:50,340 they have a Happiness ranking have you 1668 01:18:53,030 --> 01:18:51,540 ever seen that in the news they usually 1669 01:18:55,880 --> 01:18:53,040 give it a little bit of publicity each 1670 01:18:57,800 --> 01:18:55,890 year when it comes out well I I have 1671 01:18:59,510 --> 01:18:57,810 seen little herbs in the paper but I 1672 01:19:01,760 --> 01:18:59,520 haven't looked at the data okay it's 1673 01:19:03,439 --> 01:19:01,770 it's kind of interesting in that if you 1674 01:19:06,770 --> 01:19:03,449 look at the happiest countries in the 1675 01:19:10,790 --> 01:19:06,780 world what you find is they tend not to 1676 01:19:13,400 --> 01:19:10,800 have really large populations I thought 1677 01:19:15,979 --> 01:19:13,410 that was a really interesting a little 1678 01:19:18,680 --> 01:19:15,989 connection there that the larger 1679 01:19:22,100 --> 01:19:18,690 countries tend to be a little bit 1680 01:19:23,780 --> 01:19:22,110 further down so I do hear a lot of talk 1681 01:19:24,470 --> 01:19:23,790 about one-world government and things 1682 01:19:27,020 --> 01:19:24,480 like that 1683 01:19:29,090 --> 01:19:27,030 but it seems to me that maybe the the 1684 01:19:30,770 --> 01:19:29,100 largest governments in the world don't 1685 01:19:35,750 --> 01:19:30,780 keep their people very happy and that 1686 01:19:39,410 --> 01:19:35,760 may be a small area you know a less of a 1687 01:19:44,540 --> 01:19:39,420 smaller population to keep happy is an 1688 01:19:47,390 --> 01:19:44,550 easier job it could be I don't know well 1689 01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:47,400 I hope you're not giving anybody any 1690 01:19:51,320 --> 01:19:50,010 ideas you know well I just thought it 1691 01:19:55,520 --> 01:19:51,330 was interesting I just thought it was 1692 01:19:57,620 --> 01:19:55,530 interesting I was the US actually holds 1693 01:20:01,520 --> 01:19:57,630 up pretty well for such a large country 1694 01:20:03,500 --> 01:20:01,530 but we are not even close to the top 10 1695 01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:03,510 in terms of the world's happiest people 1696 01:20:08,030 --> 01:20:05,850 I Canada is by the way I notice you're 1697 01:20:09,920 --> 01:20:08,040 living up there but the population 1698 01:20:10,520 --> 01:20:09,930 scared is a lot less than it is in the 1699 01:20:16,070 --> 01:20:10,530 States 1700 01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:16,080 it's fewer people in California and the 1701 01:20:21,350 --> 01:20:18,570 the more people where you've got under 1702 01:20:24,050 --> 01:20:21,360 your government could be could be no 1703 01:20:26,950 --> 01:20:24,060 proof obviously but could be much more 1704 01:20:30,910 --> 01:20:26,960 difficult job governing so 1705 01:20:34,720 --> 01:20:30,920 surprise me yep okay so that's what I've 1706 01:20:36,490 --> 01:20:34,730 got one oh god yeah I just want very 1707 01:20:39,430 --> 01:20:36,500 briefly I want to I'm gonna throw two 1708 01:20:41,080 --> 01:20:39,440 names stand and if you wouldn't mind 1709 01:20:43,080 --> 01:20:41,090 just give him brief commentary I know 1710 01:20:45,610 --> 01:20:43,090 you've gone over one of the names before 1711 01:20:49,030 --> 01:20:45,620 I want to see if you--if you have any 1712 01:20:49,930 --> 01:20:49,040 idea changes order inside on that his 1713 01:20:51,400 --> 01:20:49,940 Bob Lazar 1714 01:20:53,200 --> 01:20:51,410 to this day because you know whose 1715 01:20:55,750 --> 01:20:53,210 stories resurfacing now there's there's 1716 01:20:58,030 --> 01:20:55,760 gonna be more publicity about that in 1717 01:21:02,050 --> 01:20:58,040 the coming months has any of your 1718 01:21:04,930 --> 01:21:02,060 previous commentary change on that no 1719 01:21:07,840 --> 01:21:04,940 he's a bright guy I don't deny that at 1720 01:21:10,570 --> 01:21:07,850 all all right he's not a scientist 1721 01:21:13,150 --> 01:21:10,580 he certainly lied about his academic 1722 01:21:17,709 --> 01:21:13,160 background he didn't go to MIT or to 1723 01:21:19,690 --> 01:21:17,719 Caltech and I don't believe his story 1724 01:21:22,270 --> 01:21:19,700 other than that he certainly is 1725 01:21:25,510 --> 01:21:22,280 interested in the subject and look 1726 01:21:28,270 --> 01:21:25,520 George Knapp and I are friends I would 1727 01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:28,280 say and I don't believe him about Lazar 1728 01:21:32,440 --> 01:21:30,410 and he knows where I stand he doesn't 1729 01:21:34,330 --> 01:21:32,450 believe bob has those degrees either but 1730 01:21:35,950 --> 01:21:34,340 I say once a guy starts lying about this 1731 01:21:39,790 --> 01:21:35,960 degrees why should I believe him about 1732 01:21:42,459 --> 01:21:39,800 anything else but you notice bob has not 1733 01:21:46,240 --> 01:21:42,469 published anything the scientists 1734 01:21:49,450 --> 01:21:46,250 normally publish papers they write books 1735 01:21:52,810 --> 01:21:49,460 they do all kinds of stuff and bob has 1736 01:21:55,690 --> 01:21:52,820 done none of those so he's got a story 1737 01:21:58,630 --> 01:21:55,700 to tell and he's a good storyteller and 1738 01:22:00,400 --> 01:21:58,640 he's a bright guy I give him that but I 1739 01:22:02,050 --> 01:22:00,410 don't believe him that he had anything 1740 01:22:03,880 --> 01:22:02,060 to do with back-engineering flying 1741 01:22:08,890 --> 01:22:03,890 saucers why would he he's not a 1742 01:22:11,140 --> 01:22:08,900 scientist yeah that's fine so moving on 1743 01:22:13,780 --> 01:22:11,150 I know we have a friend Brian together 1744 01:22:16,450 --> 01:22:13,790 he has a youtube called post disclosure 1745 01:22:18,610 --> 01:22:16,460 world and he's also known as UFO Jesus 1746 01:22:20,560 --> 01:22:18,620 believed in hilarious guy great Channel 1747 01:22:22,750 --> 01:22:20,570 but I know he'd want me to ask this 1748 01:22:26,160 --> 01:22:22,760 question what do you think about the 1749 01:22:29,560 --> 01:22:26,170 Travis Walton case just briefly well I 1750 01:22:31,240 --> 01:22:29,570 met with Travis many many years ago and 1751 01:22:34,120 --> 01:22:31,250 I've been with him out where the event 1752 01:22:37,060 --> 01:22:34,130 took place I'm a fan of his we've done 1753 01:22:38,830 --> 01:22:37,070 programs together and he was surprised 1754 01:22:40,540 --> 01:22:38,840 that I stood behind him instead of 1755 01:22:40,899 --> 01:22:40,550 saying well I think he believes that 1756 01:22:44,379 --> 01:22:40,909 he's 1757 01:22:45,699 --> 01:22:44,389 the truth I say I believe him and he was 1758 01:22:48,250 --> 01:22:45,709 very pleased about that 1759 01:22:50,859 --> 01:22:48,260 I'm very favorably impressed with Travis 1760 01:22:54,159 --> 01:22:50,869 sure actually yes that was an excellent 1761 01:22:59,949 --> 01:22:54,169 case and Frank Frank touched on this 1762 01:23:02,290 --> 01:22:59,959 lately but just closing out here what do 1763 01:23:04,239 --> 01:23:02,300 you what do you think that going forward 1764 01:23:06,640 --> 01:23:04,249 what would you leave because you know of 1765 01:23:10,600 --> 01:23:06,650 course you're retiring soon god bless 1766 01:23:13,689 --> 01:23:10,610 you you know you had such a run that the 1767 01:23:16,959 --> 01:23:13,699 next generation of researchers can do in 1768 01:23:20,229 --> 01:23:16,969 the field of ufology to take this 1769 01:23:22,919 --> 01:23:20,239 forward well I think for one thing they 1770 01:23:26,580 --> 01:23:22,929 can become familiar I just looked at a 1771 01:23:29,649 --> 01:23:26,590 bibliography and there are dozens now of 1772 01:23:33,189 --> 01:23:29,659 PhD theses that people don't know about 1773 01:23:36,100 --> 01:23:33,199 done about UFOs they can become familiar 1774 01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:36,110 with the evidence instead of just 1775 01:23:39,909 --> 01:23:38,570 arguing theoretically about all I think 1776 01:23:41,859 --> 01:23:39,919 they're realer I don't think they're 1777 01:23:43,959 --> 01:23:41,869 real or you know why don't they do this 1778 01:23:46,779 --> 01:23:43,969 side of the other thing I think we could 1779 01:23:48,669 --> 01:23:46,789 do more information sharing I think we 1780 01:23:52,299 --> 01:23:48,679 could do more pressure on the government 1781 01:23:54,850 --> 01:23:52,309 I think that people need the scientists 1782 01:23:58,359 --> 01:23:54,860 need to have guts enough to study the 1783 01:24:00,250 --> 01:23:58,369 evidence instead of profound make 1784 01:24:01,290 --> 01:24:00,260 profound statements that have no basis 1785 01:24:04,270 --> 01:24:01,300 in fact 1786 01:24:07,029 --> 01:24:04,280 nasty noisy negativism is not a way to 1787 01:24:11,439 --> 01:24:07,039 be a scientist there's a lot of that 1788 01:24:15,399 --> 01:24:11,449 going on so I I think do your homework 1789 01:24:17,679 --> 01:24:15,409 is the first thing that I shock people 1790 01:24:20,620 --> 01:24:17,689 when you say there are PhD theses yeah 1791 01:24:23,290 --> 01:24:20,630 and in a book I wrote more than 10 years 1792 01:24:26,409 --> 01:24:23,300 ago I listed 10 of them and the number 1793 01:24:29,919 --> 01:24:26,419 is well up over 30 now don't tell me 1794 01:24:32,080 --> 01:24:29,929 there's no data do your homework that's 1795 01:24:33,729 --> 01:24:32,090 the big thing they can read my books 1796 01:24:35,620 --> 01:24:33,739 I've got six books out there I 1797 01:24:37,659 --> 01:24:35,630 autographed them all when I send them 1798 01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:37,669 out they're listed at my website triple 1799 01:24:45,459 --> 01:24:42,530 w dot Stanton Friedman calm no charge 1800 01:24:51,669 --> 01:24:48,640 but there is plenty of data that people 1801 01:24:54,250 --> 01:24:51,679 don't seem to be aware of and that's a 1802 01:24:55,660 --> 01:24:54,260 shame and if you're gonna have an 1803 01:24:59,560 --> 01:24:55,670 opinion about something as complicated 1804 01:25:01,330 --> 01:24:59,570 as this you should have the facts not 1805 01:25:06,310 --> 01:25:01,340 the maybes and the Possible's 1806 01:25:08,590 --> 01:25:06,320 the reality well in the description of 1807 01:25:11,140 --> 01:25:08,600 this video we will have the links to all 1808 01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:11,150 your books your website and and I'm 1809 01:25:15,010 --> 01:25:13,610 gonna hunt down some of the the PhD 1810 01:25:16,740 --> 01:25:15,020 thesis is that you're talking about as 1811 01:25:19,810 --> 01:25:16,750 well and try to include as much as that 1812 01:25:21,310 --> 01:25:19,820 so reg will be familiar with that and 1813 01:25:23,919 --> 01:25:21,320 try to put it out there 1814 01:25:26,680 --> 01:25:23,929 but I just want to say again Stan thank 1815 01:25:29,830 --> 01:25:26,690 you so much for all the work you've done 1816 01:25:31,149 --> 01:25:29,840 in this field again like I over twenty 1817 01:25:34,600 --> 01:25:31,159 years ago when I was a kid watching on 1818 01:25:37,120 --> 01:25:34,610 you you on TV I never imagined that I'd 1819 01:25:38,410 --> 01:25:37,130 be sitting on the other side doing an 1820 01:25:41,140 --> 01:25:38,420 interview with you so that's just an 1821 01:25:50,880 --> 01:25:41,150 amazing to me that's you know that's I 1822 01:25:58,390 --> 01:25:56,740 this has been fantastic yeah I couldn't 1823 01:26:00,010 --> 01:25:58,400 I couldn't imagine that I'd be doing 1824 01:26:03,070 --> 01:26:00,020 this that you know that long ago 1825 01:26:05,410 --> 01:26:03,080 watching those programs on TV as a you 1826 01:26:08,950 --> 01:26:05,420 know in elementary school that you know 1827 01:26:12,130 --> 01:26:08,960 I'd be doing all this had no idea um so 1828 01:26:14,140 --> 01:26:12,140 it's it's been a complete honor you know 1829 01:26:15,959 --> 01:26:14,150 and I really congratulate you on 1830 01:26:19,030 --> 01:26:15,969 everything in that I hope that you have 1831 01:26:20,860 --> 01:26:19,040 an amazing retirement you deserve it I 1832 01:26:23,860 --> 01:26:20,870 mean you're a machine going at this so 1833 01:26:26,020 --> 01:26:23,870 hard for so long hahahahaha well you 1834 01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:26,030 know both my parents live to be 90 so I 1835 01:26:33,550 --> 01:26:31,370 got six years more to go I think my 1836 01:26:36,430 --> 01:26:33,560 understanding is it's a basically a 1837 01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:36,440 retirement from writing lecturing more 1838 01:26:40,180 --> 01:26:38,810 actively traveling around but you're 1839 01:26:42,760 --> 01:26:40,190 still going to be keeping an eye on 1840 01:26:45,700 --> 01:26:42,770 things is that correct oh yeah okay okay 1841 01:26:48,040 --> 01:26:45,710 so if something hot drops weed it's 1842 01:26:50,560 --> 01:26:48,050 certainly okay after July which is I 1843 01:26:52,870 --> 01:26:50,570 believe you last scheduled seminar 1844 01:26:55,300 --> 01:26:52,880 presentation you'd still be willing to 1845 01:26:57,300 --> 01:26:55,310 come back on with us and let us know 1846 01:27:00,260 --> 01:26:57,310 everything you think oh yeah 1847 01:27:01,980 --> 01:27:00,270 right yeah that's good to know all right 1848 01:27:04,620 --> 01:27:01,990 take it easy 1849 01:27:10,920 --> 01:27:04,630 Thank You Stanton Friedman thank you so 1850 01:27:13,320 --> 01:27:10,930 very much for joining us and James I 1851 01:27:15,420 --> 01:27:13,330 believe this was a very good interview 1852 01:27:18,630 --> 01:27:15,430 found out some very interesting things 1853 01:27:20,100 --> 01:27:18,640 that we didn't know about before and if 1854 01:27:22,740 --> 01:27:20,110 you have anything else before we wrap up 1855 01:27:24,390 --> 01:27:22,750 here that's about it I mean that was 1856 01:27:28,100 --> 01:27:24,400 excellent again it was you know honors 1857 01:27:30,450 --> 01:27:28,110 me to test and they were then and 1858 01:27:33,240 --> 01:27:30,460 delivered on the information to which is 1859 01:27:35,610 --> 01:27:33,250 the main thing yeah absolutely I was 1860 01:27:37,470 --> 01:27:35,620 glad to ask him about some of those some 1861 01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:37,480 of those things especially the Travis 1862 01:27:42,330 --> 01:27:39,010 Walton case and know he was so behind 1863 01:27:44,760 --> 01:27:42,340 that excellent ok so I will let you go 1864 01:27:47,310 --> 01:27:44,770 we will wrap up the show if you picked 1865 01:27:49,890 --> 01:27:47,320 it up midway through the full video 1866 01:27:52,860 --> 01:27:49,900 should be available and we will post the 1867 01:27:55,950 --> 01:27:52,870 link all over the place at Facebook 1868 01:27:57,210 --> 01:27:55,960 accounts and over a Twitter so you 1869 01:27:58,890 --> 01:27:57,220 should be able to pick it up from the 1870 01:28:01,080 --> 01:27:58,900 beginning and listen to it at your 1871 01:28:04,740 --> 01:28:01,090 convenience so everybody else you have a 1872 01:28:06,540 --> 01:28:04,750 great day and join us again we don't 1873 01:28:08,550 --> 01:28:06,550 have a show scheduled for next week our 1874 01:28:11,310 --> 01:28:08,560 original plan was to do seven shows 1875 01:28:13,140 --> 01:28:11,320 before Memorial Day this was our seventh 1876 01:28:15,810 --> 01:28:13,150 so we may or may not come up with 1877 01:28:17,640 --> 01:28:15,820 something next week and certainly a 1878 01:28:20,190 --> 01:28:17,650 Memorial Day weekend will be taking that 1879 01:28:22,530 --> 01:28:20,200 off so one way or the other will be 1880 01:28:24,900 --> 01:28:22,540 seeing you at the very least in June I 1881 01:28:28,200 --> 01:28:24,910 believe Chris Wolford is going to be 1882 01:28:30,840 --> 01:28:28,210 joining us talking about his experiences 1883 01:28:32,640 --> 01:28:30,850 he's an experiencer and also had some 1884 01:28:35,700 --> 01:28:32,650 experience in there dealing with the 1885 01:28:37,680 --> 01:28:35,710 KITT green that Gary Nolan's study of 1886 01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:37,690 experiencers so we'll be talking about 1887 01:28:42,420 --> 01:28:39,610 that and all sorts of detail we've also 1888 01:28:44,370 --> 01:28:42,430 got another Adam Dodd from the 1889 01:28:47,430 --> 01:28:44,380 University of Queensland coming on next 1890 01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:47,440 month talking about scientists and UFOs 1891 01:28:52,410 --> 01:28:49,930 and later in the month that we've got 1892 01:28:55,200 --> 01:28:52,420 dr. Lyn khatai scheduled to talk about 1893 01:28:57,740 --> 01:28:55,210 the Phoenix lights incident yeah and I 1894 01:29:00,510 --> 01:28:57,750 think we might we might have another 1895 01:29:02,490 --> 01:29:00,520 midweek one coming up so we might 1896 01:29:05,130 --> 01:29:02,500 surprise you guys all right and I also 1897 01:29:06,690 --> 01:29:05,140 wanted to say you know happy Mother's 1898 01:29:09,360 --> 01:29:06,700 Day to all the mothers out there we love 1899 01:29:11,640 --> 01:29:09,370 you mom any of this without you you know 1900 01:29:12,810 --> 01:29:11,650 we need the mothers 1901 01:29:14,100 --> 01:29:12,820 I just wanted to put that out there 1902 01:29:16,920 --> 01:29:14,110 there we go 1903 01:29:19,080 --> 01:29:16,930 all righty and that's about it on my end 1904 01:29:19,800 --> 01:29:19,090 you have anything else James no that's 1905 01:29:21,840 --> 01:29:19,810 it I got it 1906 01:29:23,820 --> 01:29:21,850 all right have a great day everybody my